Re: transpose, transposition, and relative

2005-02-03 Thread lilypond
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'll attempt to clarify again: > transposition is something that allows midi to know how the music has > been transposed so that when you listen to a midi file, you hear what you > wrote, not what the transposed notes look like. Okay. So the manual needs to say that. A

Re: transpose, transposition, and relative

2005-02-03 Thread lilypond
Oops ... my bad here ... I've just seen the sentence about MIDI output and how it doesn't affect printing. But I would still respectfully suggest that it *should* affect printing, it seems to me we have here a generic solution being applied over-narrowly to a specific problem. Let's say I want

Re: Can't use numbers

2005-02-03 Thread Mats Bengtsson
It's already described clearly at http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.4/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond/Organizing-larger-pieces.html However, it would be reasonable to have also a section in the main part of the manual that describes all details about the syntax of .ly files, where this information wo

Re: How to hide pedal markings in the engraving?

2005-02-03 Thread Mats Bengtsson
I've been using LilyPond almost since its first version, but I had no idea that pedal marks made any difference to the MIDI output. You learn something new every day. ;-) Anyway, you could make two separate \score{...}, one for the printed output and another for the MIDI output. To save some typing

Re: transpose, transposition, and relative

2005-02-03 Thread Mats Bengtsson
I don't really understand what you mean by input and output sections. You can do any any of the following: music={c d e f} \score{ \transpose c bes \music } music=\transpose c bes {c d e f} \score{ \music } \score{ \transpose c bes {c d e f} } as well as \music={\transposition bes c d e f} \s

Re: How to hide pedal markings in the engraving?

2005-02-03 Thread Ralph Little
> How can I surpress engraving of the pedal markings, but keep > them in for midi? I think that answer to your question is to remove the Piano_pedal_engraver from Staff. The syntax for this depends on your version. What version are you using? In 2.4, something like: \context { \Staff \r

Re: MIDI and repeat

2005-02-03 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Michael Kallas wrote: Hi, Chris Sawer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb am 31.01.05 18:57:00: On 31 Jan 2005, at 15:57, Michael Kallas wrote: I also have problems playing MIDI files: Repetitions don't work which sounds extremely bad with alternatives (the second one is played directly after the first o

Re: How to hide pedal markings in the engraving?

2005-02-03 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I've been using LilyPond almost since its first version, but I had no > idea that pedal marks made any difference to the MIDI output. > You learn something new every day. ;-) Well... me too :-) I'd use \tag for this purpose. Much easier than mucking about with performe

Re: transpose, transposition, and relative

2005-02-03 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > As far as I understand, the point of \transposition is that you can make > a printed version of the music and a MIDI version of the same music > without having to make two separate \score{...} sections (one with > \transpose and one without). In other words, \transpositi

Re: transpose, transposition, and relative

2005-02-03 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > So - can I respectfully suggest we have a big bug here - either in > the manual or in the implementation of \transposition. And imho the > bug should be in the implementation - by changing the implementation Can I respectfully mention that I still don't understand what

Re: transpose, transposition, and relative

2005-02-03 Thread D Josiah Boothby
I'm not interested in midi. So \transpostion seems to be useless to me. The manual just says nothing about it :-( I agree that the manual should probably be more clear here. I have an example that I would be happy to add which clarifies one of your next questions. And as for the workaround using

Who wants better MIDI output? (was: MIDI and repeat)

2005-02-03 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > mainly been intended for proof "reading" scores while you enter the > music. The main hackers of LilyPond have never had the ambition to > be able to produce hight quality MIDI output. Historically, that's been true. However, we found that there is some interest in bet

convert-ly with lily2.4.2

2005-02-03 Thread Jean-marc LEGRAND
Hi list ! I've just moved to 2.4.2 on XP, and I'm converting all my files. I've got 2 pb : 1. convert-ly -e `find . -name '*.ly' -print` doesn't work, and no error message. 2. when I make convert-ly -e fichier.ly, I have à fichier.ly updated but a new fichier.ly~ which I have to erase ma

convert-ly with lily2.4.2

2005-02-03 Thread Jean-marc LEGRAND
Hi again. I've tried convert-ly *.ly in my folder, and it has converted all my .ly. Great, but it is not what is writen in lily manual, or am I wrong ? - Réacheminé par Jean-marc LEGRAND/CRS/FR/RM/Corp le 03/02/2005 13:34 -

Re: transpose, transposition, and relative

2005-02-03 Thread lilypond
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > So - can I respectfully suggest we have a big bug here - either in > > the manual or in the implementation of transposition. And imho the > > bug should be in the implementation - by changing the implementation > > Can I respectfully ment

Re: Who wants better MIDI output? (was: MIDI and repeat)

2005-02-03 Thread Christ van Willegen
Hi list, Han-Wen, > with natural sounding performance, then you're welcome to chip in and > > Donate money > > to support this effort. I'll chip in, and let you know in a private mail how much... I have type-set scores for my choir with Lilypond, using the Midi output to generate CDs and

How to show lyrics BELOW the score?

2005-02-03 Thread Massimiliano Pernatsch
Hello everybody. I'm just new to Lilypond, but even after reading the tutorials and online material I have some questions I could not find a solution yet. I made a simple score with chords added bt \chords and lyrics added by \addlyrics, and they both show up ABOVE the score, which isn't very goo

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2005-02-03 Thread Ralph Little
Hi, I guess that's true. However, if Aron's \pedal definition contains things other than pedal markings, then I would think it would be more fiddly to have to go through and tag all of the pedal markings in \pedal. In this case, unless I've missed something, attacking the engraver setup might invol

Re: convert-ly with lily2.4.2

2005-02-03 Thread Mats Bengtsson
You should definitely not remove any .ly~ file until you have made sure that the updated file gives the expected results, since the .ly~ contains a copy of your original file (before the conversion) and since convert-ly is not always fool-proof. It seems that the formulation in the manual has alrea

Re: How to show lyrics BELOW the score?

2005-02-03 Thread Mats Bengtsson
It's always easier to answer a question like this if you send a copy of what you tried. Also, never forget to mention what version of LilyPond you are using to avoid getting irrelevant answers. The short answer is that things appear in the printed score in the same order as they appear in the \scor

Réf. : Re: convert-ly with lily2.4.2

2005-02-03 Thread Jean-marc LEGRAND
Thanks for your answer. Maybe 2 suggestions : first, there's a little mistake in doc 2.5 : "It uses \version statements in the input files to detect the old version number. In most cases, to upgrade your input file it is sufficient to run covert-ly -e myfile.ly" . secondly, it should be wri

Re: Who wants better MIDI output? (was: MIDI and repeat)

2005-02-03 Thread David Raleigh Arnold
On Thursday 03 February 2005 07:51 am, Christ van Willegen wrote: > Hi list, Han-Wen, > > > with natural sounding performance, then you're welcome to chip in > > and > > > > Donate money > > > > to support this effort. > > I'll chip in, and let you know in a private mail how much... > > I have

Re: convert-ly with lily2.4.2

2005-02-03 Thread David Raleigh Arnold
On Thursday 03 February 2005 07:09 am, Jean-marc LEGRAND wrote: > Hi list ! > > I've just moved to 2.4.2 on XP, and I'm converting all my files. > > I've got 2 pb : > > 1. convert-ly -e `find . -name '*.ly' -print` doesn't work, and no > error message. > What happens when you enter this part?: $

Re: transpose, transposition, and relative

2005-02-03 Thread David Raleigh Arnold
On Thursday 03 February 2005 07:42 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > So - can I respectfully suggest we have a big bug here - either > > > in the manual or in the implementation of transposition. And imho > > > the bug should be in the impl

Re: transpose, transposition, and relative

2005-02-03 Thread Paul Scott
Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As far as I understand, the point of \transposition is that you can make a printed version of the music and a MIDI version of the same music without having to make two separate \score{...} sections (one with \transpose and one without). In other

How to hide pedal markings in the engraving?

2005-02-03 Thread Aron Fay
I'm probably one of the newest members to this, so please be patient. I want to submit a work to mutopia, so I've been entering music from a very old manuscript (for piano). No pedal markings exist in the original. But, I'd like to add pedal markings, for the purpose of making a reasonable mi

Re: convert-ly with lily2.4.2

2005-02-03 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Don't talk nonsense! convert-ly can only be run from the cygwin command prompt, not from the DOS command prompt. Also, as has already been noted in previous emails, convert-ly -e *.ly will work just as well as the command including find that was mentioned in older version of the manual. /Mats

Re: convert-ly with lily2.4.2

2005-02-03 Thread Laura Conrad
> "Mats" == Mats Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Mats> Also, as has already been noted in previous emails, Mats> convert-ly -e *.ly Mats> will work just as well as the command including find that Mats> was mentioned in older version of the manual. For files in only one d

Re: convert-ly with lily2.4.2

2005-02-03 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Of course! I realized just when I had pressed "Send" that I was talking nonsense myself! :-) /Mats Citerar Laura Conrad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > "Mats" == Mats Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Mats> Also, as has already been noted in previous emails, > Mats> convert-ly -

Re: Breve Notation

2005-02-03 Thread Michael Kallas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Peter Leschev wrote: | Hi! | |We're in need of being able produce music with the following | type of breve: | | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Breve_notation.png |(The one on the left, the one with 2 parallel vertical lines o

Re: Any info on using LilyPond (and other cygwin apps) from the XP command line?

2005-02-03 Thread Michiel Lange
As to which group to ask, is hard to put a finger on in my opinion. It is one of the drawbacks of mailinglists... if you're following more than one, and especially if one or more generates quite a bit of traffic, it becomes hard to keep track. Pesonally I would prefer forums as opposed to maili

Re: transpose, transposition, and relative

2005-02-03 Thread D Josiah Boothby
In regards to the Horn and other instruments for which transpositions can change during the course of a piece, I should mention that the Lilypond way is much easier to deal with than, for instance, the Finale way (at least up until Finale 2001, the last version that I used regularly). Granted,

Re: Can't use numbers

2005-02-03 Thread joe ferguson
As a programmer by profession (but now retired) and a musical amateur by avocation, I tend to look at Lilypond as a programming language. When learning a new language I tend to look for two things at the very beginning: The Lexical tokens, and the Syntax. I have pretty well scoped out the syn

Re: Can't use numbers

2005-02-03 Thread J L
Actually, after a quick check, I've found the following line in Organizing Larger Pieces (2.5.10 docs)? "The name of an identifier should have alphabetic characters only; no numbers, underscores or dashes. The assignment should be outside of running music." Aligorith From: Graham Percival <[EM

FW: Re: Breve Notation

2005-02-03 Thread Michael Kallas
Michael Kallas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb am 03.02.05 23:27:34: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > > Forget what I wrote, must have been looking through dirty glasses, sorry! > (The notation I saw was a square breve with 2 vertical notes) > > Bye > Michael > -BEG

Any info on using LilyPond (and other cygwin apps) from the XP command line?

2005-02-03 Thread Josh Don
Any info on using LilyPond (and other cygwin apps) from the windows command line?   Mats said... You cannot run lilypond from a Windows command prompt, you have to runit from the Cygwin command prompt, which you open by clicking on the"Cygwin" icon or start menu item.   I thought it was ok, becaus

Re: transpose, transposition, and relative

2005-02-03 Thread lilypond
Damn webmail ... I've got it! The result is a bit of a mess but it seems to work. I store all my notes in a voiceXxx.ly file, so my voiceTromnbone file now contains a "\transpose c' bf" if the part's in Bb. And all my formatting and score stuff is in a partXxx.ly file, so if I'm outputting a B