Re: LilyPond website is not available in some countries

On 06/11/2021 14:06, Kevin Cole wrote: I click Learning Manual. Still good. https remains. I am now at https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.20/Documentation/learning/index#top I click the search bar at the bottom of the green sidebar table of contents... And get a pop-up in red text: "This form is not

Re: LilyPond website is not available in some countries

> Am 06.11.2021 um 15:06 schrieb Kevin Cole : > > I click Learning Manual. Still good. https remains. I am now at > https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.20/Documentation/learning/index#top > > I click the search bar at the bottom of the green sidebar table of > contents... And get a pop-up in red text:

Re: LilyPond website is not available in some countries

I' m using Brave. Version 1.31.88 Chromium: 95.0.4638.69 (Official Build) (64-bit) I enter https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.20/ and am redirected to https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.20/Documentation/web/index.html So far, so good. https: redirects to https: I click Manuals and again, am taken to https://l

Re: LilyPond website is not available in some countries

 So if any webpage uses SSL the internet would suddenly require noticably more power. This week I've seen a survey reporting that there are currently about 200,000,000 active websites, and that 100,000,000 are https.  It's reached 50%, and will continue growing. Paul

Re: LilyPond website is not available in some countries

Valentin Petzel writes: > What browser are you using? Rejecting a page without SSL is somewhat > stupid. For many webpages the only benefit of SSL is that you have a > certificate that the content is correct. While certainly it would be > possible to do some man-in-the-middle attack tricking you

Re: LilyPond website is not available in some countries

What browser are you using? Rejecting a page without SSL is somewhat stupid. For many webpages the only benefit of SSL is that you have a certificate that the content is correct. While certainly it would be possible to do some man-in-the-middle attack tricking you into having Lilypond into execu

Re: LilyPond website is not available in some countries

I'm not sure about the current state, but Azure and AWS didn't use to block IPs from Iran. We had the same problem when Gitlab migrated from Azure to GCP. Note that non of them can do business with us, but serving a hosted website to us is not doing business. GCP seems to be the only one doing thi

Re: LilyPond website is not available in some countries

> Thank for the notice, and sorry for the mess. I didn't realize GCP > doesn't serve to Iran. Do the other large US providers (Azure, AWS) > serve to Iran, or are they also blocked? I believe they will also be blocked. There is a list of (six I think) countries that businesses based in the US are

Re: LilyPond website is not available in some countries

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 8:07 PM David Kastrup wrote: > > "Omid Mo'menzadeh" writes: > > > Of course I do. What I wanted to make sure was that the maintainers and the > > community know this, and are OK with that. LilyPond is a GNU project after > > all, and I don't think this is a GNU policy at al

Re: LilyPond website is not available in some countries

Thanks for the clarification. I personally think this is something we might want to consider if we have a major update or migration on the website in the future. Thanks, Omid Momenzadeh On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 10:37 PM David Kastrup wrote: > "Omid Mo'menzadeh" writes: > > > Of course I do. What

Re: LilyPond website is not available in some countries

> On 2 Nov 2021, at 21:08, Kevin Cole wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 3:55 PM Hans Aikema wrote: > >> Refering to the search box that IS already using https when you opted to >> browse the website using https? >> I consider it perfectly fine that the website offers an http search option >

Re: LilyPond website is not available in some countries

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 3:55 PM Hans Aikema wrote: > Refering to the search box that IS already using https when you opted to > browse the website using https? > I consider it perfectly fine that the website offers an http search option > when browsing the site with http, considering that it doe

Re: LilyPond website is not available in some countries

> On 2 Nov 2021, at 20:48, Kevin Cole wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 3:33 PM Hans Aikema wrote: >> >> On 2 Nov 2021, at 20:27, Kenneth Wolcott wrote: >> >> On a side note, I was wondering why the Lilypond web site not secure, >> ie: https rather than http...not that it matters that th

Re: LilyPond website is not available in some countries

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 3:33 PM Hans Aikema wrote: > > On 2 Nov 2021, at 20:27, Kenneth Wolcott wrote: > > On a side note, I was wondering why the Lilypond web site not secure, > ie: https rather than http...not that it matters that the content on > the web site and the interaction with it is of

Re: LilyPond website is not available in some countries

Ah! Cool. On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 12:32 PM Hans Aikema wrote: > > > > On 2 Nov 2021, at 20:27, Kenneth Wolcott wrote: > > On a side note, I was wondering why the Lilypond web site not secure, > ie: https rather than http...not that it matters that the content on > the web site and the interactio

Re: LilyPond website is not available in some countries

> On 2 Nov 2021, at 20:27, Kenneth Wolcott wrote: > > On a side note, I was wondering why the Lilypond web site not secure, > ie: https rather than http...not that it matters that the content on > the web site and the interaction with it is of a sensitive nature, but > still... > > Ken Wolcot

Re: LilyPond website is not available in some countries

On a side note, I was wondering why the Lilypond web site not secure, ie: https rather than http...not that it matters that the content on the web site and the interaction with it is of a sensitive nature, but still... Ken Wolcott On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 12:07 PM David Kastrup wrote: > > "Omid Mo

Re: LilyPond website is not available in some countries

"Omid Mo'menzadeh" writes: > Of course I do. What I wanted to make sure was that the maintainers and the > community know this, and are OK with that. LilyPond is a GNU project after > all, and I don't think this is a GNU policy at all, since no other GNU > project that I know of does this. Web h

Re: LilyPond website is not available in some countries

Remy CLAVERIE wrote: > Omid, > > You should consider using a VPN, I think. > > Good luck > > Rémy > > > > > > > > > > > Message du 02/11/21 16:14 > > De : "Omid Mo'menzadeh" > > A : "Phil Holmes" &g

Re: LilyPond website is not available in some countries

Omid, You should consider using a VPN, I think. Good luck Rémy         > Message du 02/11/21 16:14 > De : "Omid Mo'menzadeh" > A : "Phil Holmes" > Copie à : "lilypond-user" > Objet : Re: LilyPond website is not available in some coun

Re: LilyPond website is not available in some countries

Well, that's good news, since it would make fixing the problem a lot easier. Here is my output from "ping lilypond.org", which definitely is trying to get something from Google: PING lilypond.org (35.206.114.173) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 173.114.206.35.bc.googleusercontent.com (35.206.11

Re: LilyPond website is not available in some countries

Yes. This is Google blocking the IP, not a firewall on the way. On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 6:00 PM Jun Tamura wrote: > > > 2021/11/02 22:59、Jun Tamura のメール: > > > > 2021/11/02 22:40、Phil Holmes のメール: > > On 02/11/2021 12:53, Kevin Cole wrote: > > > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 6:42 AM Omid Mo'menzadeh

Re: LilyPond website is not available in some countries

> 2021/11/02 22:40、Phil Holmes のメール: > > On 02/11/2021 12:53, Kevin Cole wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 6:42 AM Omid Mo'menzadeh > > wrote: >> Hello all. >> I'm not sure if this is the right list to post this, but I'll give it a shot >> here, and see whe

Re: LilyPond website is not available in some countries

> 2021/11/02 22:59、Jun Tamura のメール: > > > >> 2021/11/02 22:40、Phil Holmes > >のメール: >> >> On 02/11/2021 12:53, Kevin Cole wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 6:42 AM Omid Mo'menzadeh >> > wrote: >>> Hello all. >>> I'm not sure

Re: LilyPond website is not available in some countries

On 02/11/2021 12:53, Kevin Cole wrote: On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 6:42 AM Omid Mo'menzadeh wrote: Hello all. I'm not sure if this is the right list to post this, but I'll give it a shot here, and see where I should report this. The problem seems to be the website's hosting, whic

Re: LilyPond website is not available in some countries

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 9:16 AM Omid Mo'menzadeh wrote: > This is what I see when I open the website with an IP from Iran. We have > the same problem with other websites hosted on GCE and similar products. > Google's search engine, Gmail, etc. are fine. > Ouch. My mistake. And, like you, I'm surp

Re: LilyPond website is not available in some countries

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 6:42 AM Omid Mo'menzadeh wrote: > Hello all. > I'm not sure if this is the right list to post this, but I'll give it a > shot here, and see where I should report this. > The problem seems to be the website's hosting, which appears to be > provided by Google, which blocks ac

Re: LilyPond website and HTTPS support

On 1/2/2019 5:35 PM, Tyler Mitchell wrote: Are there any plans to make lilypond.org accessible via HTTPS? now that Let's Encrypt is around I expect that is a question for Han-Wen Nienhuys, who seems to control the lilypond.org website hosting.

Re: Lilypond website down?

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 11:28 AM David Kastrup wrote: > > Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 2:24 PM Simon Albrecht > > wrote: > >> > >> On 16.08.2018 23:37, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > >> > Well, currently, it's coming out of the $300 new user credit that > >> > Google offers t

Re: Lilypond website down?

Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 2:24 PM Simon Albrecht wrote: >> >> On 16.08.2018 23:37, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: >> > Well, currently, it's coming out of the $300 new user credit that >> > Google offers to new cloud users. $300 is enough to keep it running >> > for a year or tw

Re: Lilypond website down?

On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 2:24 PM Simon Albrecht wrote: > > On 16.08.2018 23:37, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > > Well, currently, it's coming out of the $300 new user credit that > > Google offers to new cloud users. $300 is enough to keep it running > > for a year or two. > > This sounds slightly danger

Re: Lilypond website down?

On 16.08.2018 23:37, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: Well, currently, it's coming out of the $300 new user credit that Google offers to new cloud users. $300 is enough to keep it running for a year or two. This sounds slightly dangerous and like we should search for a new solution rather sooner than

Re: Re: Lilypond website down?

Well, currently, it's coming out of the $300 new user credit that Google offers to new cloud users. $300 is enough to keep it runnign for a year or two. On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 9:20 PM Ralph Palmer wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 3:14 PM Simon Albrecht > wrote: > >> So you provide the fund

Re: Re: Lilypond website down?

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 3:14 PM Simon Albrecht wrote: > So you provide the funding? If so, thanks a lot! > > Best, Simon > Please accept my thanks, as well. Ralph > > > On 10.08.2018 - 13:10, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > > > > > > Looks like a payment problem. I've added my creditcard, and resta

Re: Re: Lilypond website down?

So you provide the funding? If so, thanks a lot! Best, Simon > On 10.08.2018 - 13:10, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > > > Looks like a payment problem. I've added my creditcard, and restarted the > server. >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 9:39 PM Phil Holmes wrote: >> >> It's hosted by Google these

Re: Lilypond website down?

Looks like a payment problem. I've added my creditcard, and restarted the server. On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 9:39 PM Phil Holmes wrote: > It's hosted by Google these days, so I assume they have a means of > monitoring and fixing this... > > -- > Phil Holmes > > > > - Original Message - > *Fr

Re: Lilypond website down?

Hi Phil, Google? Isn't that a commercial service? Who pays for it? Andrew On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 at 05:40, Phil Holmes wrote: > It's hosted by Google these days, so I assume they have a means of > monitoring and fixing this... > > ___ lilypond-user mail

Re: Lilypond website down?

On 8/8/2018 2:39 PM, Phil Holmes wrote: It's hosted by Google these days, so I assume they have a means of monitoring and fixing this... -- Phil Holmes - Original Message - *From:* Saul Tobin *To:* Lilypond-User Mailing List

Re: Lilypond website down?

It's hosted by Google these days, so I assume they have a means of monitoring and fixing this... -- Phil Holmes - Original Message - From: Saul Tobin To: Lilypond-User Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 6:37 PM Subject: Lilypond website down? Looks like Lilyp

Re: LilyPond Website Work

Il 09/dic/2013 09:22 "Janek Warchoł" ha scritto: > > 2013/12/9 Carl Peterson : > > 2013/12/6 David Kastrup : > > > A complete color _scheme_ might be distracting, but it may make sense to > > > have a title or side bar or other obvious always on-screen element > > > color-coded. > > > > Okay, so I

Re: LilyPond Website Work

2013/12/9 Carl Peterson : > 2013/12/6 David Kastrup : > > A complete color _scheme_ might be distracting, but it may make sense to > > have a title or side bar or other obvious always on-screen element > > color-coded. > > Okay, so I have a patch set ready to go with this. The only differences are

Re: Lilypond Website Work

Carl Peterson writes: > On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Carl Peterson wrote: >> >> I have something in development for #2 on Federico's list. I've parsed >> through enough of the texi2html script that I was able to insert CSS >> classes into the tag that will allow me to color code each manual.

Re: LilyPond Website Work

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: > 2013/12/6 David Kastrup : > > Janek Warchoł writes: > >> A suggestion from my colleague: for a long time he kept confusing LM > >> and NR, and he said that it would be nice if (for example) they had > >> different color schemes so that one wi

Re: Lilypond Website Work

On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Carl Peterson wrote: > > I have something in development for #2 on Federico's list. I've parsed > through enough of the texi2html script that I was able to insert CSS > classes into the tag that will allow me to color code each manual. > One thing that is very stra

Re: Lilypond Website Work

On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Urs Liska wrote: > Am 08.12.2013 23:23, schrieb Federico Bruni: > > > 2013/12/6 Federico Bruni > >> These problems should be recorded in our tracker. >> So far I've seen 2 issues/feature requests: >> >> 1. improve SEO >> 2. associate a different color scheme t

Re: Lilypond Website Work

Am 08.12.2013 23:23, schrieb Federico Bruni: 2013/12/6 Federico Bruni mailto:fedel...@gmail.com>> These problems should be recorded in our tracker. So far I've seen 2 issues/feature requests: 1. improve SEO 2. associate a different color scheme to each manual I've added them:

Re: Lilypond Website Work

2013/12/6 Federico Bruni > These problems should be recorded in our tracker. > So far I've seen 2 issues/feature requests: > > 1. improve SEO > 2. associate a different color scheme to each manual > > I've added them: https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3714 https://code.google.co

Re: LilyPond Website Work

On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Phil Holmes wrote: > > >> My recommendations would be: >> 1. Use a consistent URL for the latest stable version of LilyPond >> documentation. That way web searches and other pages across the web link >> to the latest version instead of ancient versions of the docume

Re: LilyPond Website Work

- Original Message - From: "David Bolton" To: Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 7:54 PM Subject: Re: LilyPond Website Work On 12/7/2013 6:39 AM, Urs Liska wrote: As can be seen here (one more time): Am 07.12.2013 08:45, schrieb Janek Warchoł: 2013/12/7 David Bolton :

Re: LilyPond Website Work

On 12/7/2013 9:48 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: > 2013/12/7 David Kastrup : >>> It may also be a good idea to find a way to visually distinguish >>> between the stable and the development sections of website/manual? >> Stable: solid color in the color coded area. >> >> Development: diagonally striped or

Re: LilyPond Website Work

On 12/7/2013 6:39 AM, Urs Liska wrote: > > As can be seen here (one more time): > > Am 07.12.2013 08:45, schrieb Janek Warchoł: >> 2013/12/7 David Bolton : >> >> ... >> >> And by the way, why are you using documentation for versions 2.16 and >> 2.17 while the file is marked as 2.14? This looks like

Re: LilyPond Website Work

2013/12/7 David Kastrup : > >> It may also be a good idea to find a way to visually distinguish >> between the stable and the development sections of website/manual? > > Stable: solid color in the color coded area. > > Development: diagonally striped or patterned in some other way. +1 __

Re: LilyPond Website Work

Urs Liska writes: > Am 06.12.2013 09:12, schrieb Janek Warchoł: >> 2013/12/6 Carl Peterson : >>> Having worked for two corporations that have fairly extensive (and >>> stringent) visual identity and branding guidelines (colors, typeface, >>> formatting, etc.), I've learned that there are ways to

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

Am 06.12.2013 09:12, schrieb Janek Warchoł: 2013/12/6 Carl Peterson : Having worked for two corporations that have fairly extensive (and stringent) visual identity and branding guidelines (colors, typeface, formatting, etc.), I've learned that there are ways to make an obvious change between two

Re: Lilypond Website Work

Am 06.12.2013 21:26, schrieb Janek Warchoł: Urs, 2013/12/6 David Kastrup : Urs Liska writes: I think although not explicitly stated as a feature request the discussion surely yields 3. Clarify first steps/new user experience. I don't think that this is the same topic. The listed requests

Re: Lilypond Website Work

Urs, 2013/12/6 David Kastrup : > Urs Liska writes: > >> Am 06.12.2013 14:12, schrieb Federico Bruni: >>> These problems should be recorded in our tracker. >>> So far I've seen 2 issues/feature requests: >>> >>> 1. improve SEO >>> 2. associate a different color scheme to each manual >> I think alt

Re: Lilypond Website Work

From: "Ryan McClure" Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 6:59 PM I just did a Google search on a computer that I've never used/logged into before. My account was fresh, and I did these searches without any previous history affecting my results: "Music notation software" Lilypond came in at

Re: Lilypond Website Work

From: "Ryan McClure" Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 6:59 PM I just did a Google search on a computer that I've never used/logged into before. My account was fresh, and I did these searches without any previous history affecting my results: "Music notation software" Lilypond came in at 25

Re: Lilypond Website Work

I just did a Google search on a computer that I've never used/logged into before. My account was fresh, and I did these searches without any previous history affecting my results: "Music notation software" Lilypond came in at 25. "Free music notation software" It came in at 11. "Free music typ

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Phil Holmes wrote: > > Well, yes, as CPU load. I remain of the view that this is not a good use > of time - there are other things that will be of greater value for less > effort. Remember, you'll not be doing this by editing HTML, but the > texi2HTML control fil

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

- Original Message - From: "Phil Burfitt" To: "Phil Holmes" ; "Carl Peterson" ; "James Harkins" Cc: "Mailinglist lilypond-user" Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 3:59 PM Subject: Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Window

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

- Original Message - From: "Phil Holmes" Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 3:35 PM Our server is provided on a goodwill basis, and so we would not want to use any scripting that might load it. Carl Perterson wrote: CSS gradients can be coded for fewer bytes and one less server reques

Re: LilyPond Website Work

"Phil Holmes" writes: > - Original Message - > From: Carl Peterson > >> I want to eventually eliminate any image file that does not >> contribute to content. >> The first victim of this will be the gradient images used for the >> header and navigation backgrounds. >> CSS gradients can be

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

- Original Message - From: Carl Peterson I want to eventually eliminate any image file that does not contribute to content. The first victim of this will be the gradient images used for the header and navigation backgrounds. CSS gradients can be coded for fewer bytes and one less serv

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 9:00 AM, James Harkins wrote: > A side comment, picking up on a comment in the "Windows experience" thread: > > I hope the new site will avoid any hooks to Google analytics or other APIs. > I'm behind the Great Firewall of China, and I see frequently how Google > dependenci

Re: Lilypond Website Work

Urs Liska writes: > Am 06.12.2013 14:12, schrieb Federico Bruni: >> These problems should be recorded in our tracker. >> So far I've seen 2 issues/feature requests: >> >> 1. improve SEO >> 2. associate a different color scheme to each manual > I think although not explicitly stated as a feature r

Re: Lilypond Website Work

Am 06.12.2013 14:12, schrieb Federico Bruni: These problems should be recorded in our tracker. So far I've seen 2 issues/feature requests: 1. improve SEO 2. associate a different color scheme to each manual I think although not explicitly stated as a feature request the discussion surely yields

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

A side comment, picking up on a comment in the "Windows experience" thread: I hope the new site will avoid any hooks to Google analytics or other APIs. I'm behind the Great Firewall of China, and I see frequently how Google dependencies cause page loading times to balloon, while the browser wait

Re: Lilypond Website Work

Federico Bruni writes: > 2013/12/6 Phil Burfitt > > Carl, you might also like to keep in mind Lilypond's search rankings while > you redesign. > This is really bad, I never checked it. > 1. improve SEO I guess I'm glad someone notices and seems to care http://lists.gnu.org/archive/

Re: Lilypond Website Work

2013/12/6 Phil Burfitt > Carl, you might also like to keep in mind Lilypond's search rankings while > you redesign. A first page listing would bump up traffic considerable, and > shouldn't be hard to achieve given that whoever designed lilypond's > homepage hasn't given any thought to SE ranking

Re: Lilypond Website Work

Carl, you might also like to keep in mind Lilypond's search rankings while you redesign. A first page listing would bump up traffic considerable, and shouldn't be hard to achieve given that whoever designed lilypond's homepage hasn't given any thought to SE ranking - there's just no relevant tex

Re: LilyPond Website Work

2013/12/6 David Kastrup : > Janek Warchoł writes: >> A suggestion from my colleague: for a long time he kept confusing LM >> and NR, and he said that it would be nice if (for example) they had >> different color schemes so that one will know where to look at things >> ("hmm, i remember seeing it i

Re: LilyPond Website Work

Janek Warchoł writes: > 2013/12/6 Carl Peterson : >> Having worked for two corporations that have fairly extensive (and >> stringent) visual identity and branding guidelines (colors, typeface, >> formatting, etc.), I've learned that there are ways to make an obvious >> change between two things w

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

2013/12/6 Carl Peterson : > Having worked for two corporations that have fairly extensive (and > stringent) visual identity and branding guidelines (colors, typeface, > formatting, etc.), I've learned that there are ways to make an obvious > change between two things while still making them look li

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Carl Sorensen wrote: > > On 12/5/13 9:43 AM, "Carl Peterson" wrote: > > > > >1) Review the CSS of both the website and the documentation. These are > >simply CSS files that don't need any compiling or reconfiguring. The > >eyesore for me is the documentation, and

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

On 12/5/13 9:43 AM, "Carl Peterson" wrote: > >1) Review the CSS of both the website and the documentation. These are >simply CSS files that don't need any compiling or reconfiguring. The >eyesore for me is the documentation, and it would be nice to start to >move the two into more of a seamless

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

Hi, 2013/12/5 Carl Peterson : > Having dived into the git repo and page source a little, here is what I see > as the "road map" to improving the look of the LilyPond website, with an eye > toward getting the most benefit the fastest. > [...] I have no expertise in these areas, so i cannot comment

Re: Lilypond website

There is a 'script' for that look in the documents for templates copy the one that fits your needs adjust the key etc and off you go. Aaron ___ Lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: Lilypond website

On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 19:57:49 +0100 Han-Wen Nienhuys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am looking forward to your constructive criticism, and will read > your patches closely. The discussion has brought forward many new points to me. I was aware that clickers might spend as much time, and that text-

Re: Lilypond website

Chip Zoller wrote: I just ran across your software and decided to try it out. I like what people say and have been curious as to music engraving for Linux. I am using Lilypond on FreeBSD, it works great. My son uses Lilypond on XP (with cygwin), it works great there also. In the windows version

Re: Lilypond website

* Nicolas Sceaux ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > The real issue is: what time does it take to write the score with > LilyPond and Finale? IMHO tap tap tap is a lot faster than clic clic > clic. Maybe the learning curve of LilyPond is longer (I don't know), > but having regular text source code and com

Re: Lilypond website

* Chip Zoller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I can assure you that no professional engraver will use something > that has to be engraved through a command line! What about SCORE? It has been used by the largest publication houses like Barenreiter, Universal Edition, Schott, Breitkopf & Hartel, G.

Re: Lilypond website

Chip Zoller writes: > The problem with criticisms such as this one don't take into > consideration that everything with Finale and more is fully > customizeable. The argument is mostly about automated engraving. Customizability does not score points. We had discussions on this before, please lo

Re: Lilypond website

Sun, 4 Jan 2004 06:17:49 -0800 (PST), Chip a dit : > Finale is used by some of the world's > largest publication houses (even Barenreiter) and I > don't think they would all be using it if a better > approach to engraving existed. The `better' does not always coincide with `the most used',

Re: Lilypond website

One thing struck me as being unfair, however: your approach and criticism of Finale. I am a theorist and composer and I use Finale exclusively to engrave my work and your criticism of it is unfair when pitted against Lilypond. The problem with criticisms such as this one don't take into conside

Re: Lilypond website

Chip Zoller wrote: but I can assure you that no professional engraver will use something that has to be engraved through a command line! Huh? I am in the finishing process of a medium size commercial project done in lilypond, and although my wishlist is long so is my impresslist. I don't know fina