Re: Chords in LilyPond

2017-05-24 Thread mskala
On Thu, 25 May 2017, Charles Winston wrote: > > On May 25, 2017, at 12:26 AM, Kieren MacMillan > > wrote: Except contains a > > huge amount of information that cannot currently be input in > > \chordmode (as far as I know). > > > > Ultimately, as long as we end up with an input system robust enou

Re: Chords in LilyPond

2017-05-24 Thread Charles Winston
> On May 25, 2017, at 12:26 AM, Kieren MacMillan > wrote: > > Hi Charles, > >>> Which mode of input? >>> \chordmode { c1:7 } >>> or >>> { 1 } >> >> I think \chordmode will be the most useful form of input, because that way >> we know the user's intentions with the chords. It would be tough

Re: Chords in LilyPond

2017-05-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Charles, >> Which mode of input? >> \chordmode { c1:7 } >> or >> { 1 } > > I think \chordmode will be the most useful form of input, because that way we > know the user's intentions with the chords. It would be tough to infer the > semantics from just the note input, which is essentially

Re: Chords in LilyPond

2017-05-24 Thread Winston, Charles R.
On May 25, 2017, at 12:09 AM, Kieren MacMillan wrote: >> how much should we base this data structure on the current mode of input? > > Which mode of input? > >\chordmode { c1:7 } > > or > >{ 1 } I think \chordmode will be the most useful form of input, because that way we know th

Re: Chords in LilyPond

2017-05-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Charles, > we certainly want the output to match the input. An important question is: is it a one-to-one relationship? > how much should we base this data structure on the current mode of input? Which mode of input? \chordmode { c1:7 } or { 1 } ?? > certain aspects of input can

Re: Chords in LilyPond

2017-05-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Matthew (et al.), > What I think is most needed is a chord-naming mode that *just prints what > the user typed*, formatted with the fonts, spacing, and so on that we > expect for chord names - not translating it to an "internal > representation" of notes plus extra data as LilyPond "music" at a

Re: Chords in LilyPond

2017-05-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Simon (et al.), >> added bass note >> inversions > I’m under the impression that in chord notation those are actually the same Definitely not! What if I want a C7 in second inversion over a Db? In pseudo-harmonic-analysis code, that would be C4/3 / Db In my compositions (especially musi

Re: Chords in LilyPond

2017-05-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Harm, > Once I tried to get Brandt-Roemer namings. Have you seen my B-R stylesheet? It’s almost a complete representation. > The criteria which pitches are regarded to set extensions, etc are different > enough from Ignatzek > that it would have resulted in a complete rewrite of the > chord

RE: Permission for music

2017-05-24 Thread Mark Stephen Mrotek
So we should burn the books because the ignorant refuse to learn? -Original Message- From: lilypond-user [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf Of msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 6:43 PM To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: Permission

Re: Permission for music

2017-05-24 Thread David Wright
On Wed 24 May 2017 at 20:42:36 (-0500), msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote: > On Wed, 24 May 2017, David Wright wrote: > > Perhaps this is because educators are pandering to their ignorance, > > thus decreasing the likelihood they'll ever encounter the term. > > I'm glad that LilyPond's authors know pr

Re: Chords in LilyPond

2017-05-24 Thread Winston, Charles R.
> On May 24, 2017, at 9:40 PM, "msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca" > wrote: > >> On Wed, 24 May 2017, Charles Winston wrote: >> I’m participating in the Google Summer of Code working on improving >> LilyPond’s internal representation of chords. The goal here is to create a >> data structure that will

Re: Permission for music

2017-05-24 Thread mskala
On Wed, 24 May 2017, David Wright wrote: > Perhaps this is because educators are pandering to their ignorance, > thus decreasing the likelihood they'll ever encounter the term. > I'm glad that LilyPond's authors know precisely what it does so well. Removing the advertisement is much easier than ed

Re: Chords in LilyPond

2017-05-24 Thread mskala
On Wed, 24 May 2017, Charles Winston wrote: > I’m participating in the Google Summer of Code working on improving > LilyPond’s internal representation of chords. The goal here is to create a > data structure that will represent a chord’s semantics beyond just a list of > notes in the chord. The

Re: Chords in LilyPond

2017-05-24 Thread Thomas Morley
2017-05-25 0:17 GMT+02:00 Charles Winston : > I would love to hear any ideas from the user community about this. And beyond > the specific issues I’m talking about here, what aspects of LilyPond’s > support for chords do you believe should be improved or changed? I think the greatest problem is

Re: Chords in LilyPond

2017-05-24 Thread Thomas Morley
2017-05-25 0:54 GMT+02:00 Simon Albrecht : > Am 25.05.2017 um 00:17 schrieb Charles Winston: >> >> added bass note >> inversions > > > I’m under the impression that in chord notation those are actually the same > – I don’t think that there is a conceptual difference between C/E and C/D in > chord n

Re: Chords in LilyPond

2017-05-24 Thread Thomas Morley
2017-05-25 0:17 GMT+02:00 Charles Winston : > Hi LilyPond users, > > I’m participating in the Google Summer of Code working on improving > LilyPond’s internal representation of chords. The goal here is to create a > data structure that will represent a chord’s semantics beyond just a list of > n

Re: Permission for music

2017-05-24 Thread David Wright
On Wed 24 May 2017 at 22:30:46 (+), Karlin High wrote: > On 5/24/2017 5:19 PM, msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote: > > On Wed, 24 May 2017, Simon Albrecht wrote: > >> Only if you overlook that the tagline specifically says the music was > >> _engraved_ with LilyPond, which does not tell anything ab

Re: Chords in LilyPond

2017-05-24 Thread Simon Albrecht
Am 25.05.2017 um 00:17 schrieb Charles Winston: How do we deal with semantics that may overlap between these categories? For example: is a sharp-5 an alteration or just an augmented chord? Off the top of my head: Both should be possible input methods, but internally represented the same. How

Re: Chords in LilyPond

2017-05-24 Thread Simon Albrecht
Am 25.05.2017 um 00:17 schrieb Charles Winston: added bass note inversions I’m under the impression that in chord notation those are actually the same – I don’t think that there is a conceptual difference between C/E and C/D in chord notation. But it may be that instead of this pragmatic way

Re: Chords in LilyPond

2017-05-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hello Charles, > I’m participating in the Google Summer of Code working on improving > LilyPond’s internal representation of chords. As someone who uses chord names extensively, I’m thrilled that you’re tackling this! > The goal here is to create a data structure that will represent a chord’s

Re: Permission for music

2017-05-24 Thread Karlin High
On 5/24/2017 5:19 PM, msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote: > On Wed, 24 May 2017, Simon Albrecht wrote: >> Only if you overlook that the tagline specifically says the music was >> _engraved_ with LilyPond, which does not tell anything about any connection >> between LilyPond and the _content_. >> >> But

Re: Permission for music

2017-05-24 Thread mskala
On Wed, 24 May 2017, Simon Albrecht wrote: > > This is one reason that putting advertising for the LilyPond Web site in > > every PDF document by default may not be such a great idea. It makes > > LilyPond appear to have a meaningful connection with the content. > > Only if you overlook that the t

Chords in LilyPond

2017-05-24 Thread Charles Winston
Hi LilyPond users, I’m participating in the Google Summer of Code working on improving LilyPond’s internal representation of chords. The goal here is to create a data structure that will represent a chord’s semantics beyond just a list of notes in the chord. The current representation contains

Re: Can an augmentation dot be parenthesized?

2017-05-24 Thread Thomas Morley
Hi David, 2017-05-24 22:40 GMT+02:00 David Nalesnik : > Hi, > > On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Lukas-Fabian Moser wrote: >> Hi Robert, >> >>> >>> I would tather like to parenthesize these added augmenation dots but I've >>> not found a way to do that. >> >> >> I don't know how to parenthesize

Re: Permission for music

2017-05-24 Thread Simon Albrecht
Am 24.05.2017 um 15:41 schrieb msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca: On Wed, 24 May 2017, Manuela Gößnitzer wrote: Which website would that be? AFAIK this here is a mailing list, there is no website with music sheets. This is one reason that putting advertising for the LilyPond Web site in every PDF docume

Re: Can an augmentation dot be parenthesized?

2017-05-24 Thread Simon Albrecht
Am 24.05.2017 um 10:58 schrieb Robert Blackstone: For two consecutive bars the time seems to have changed, from 6/2 to 5/2, which, as far as I know, was never done in that period. This makes me think of John Dowland, who used bar lines in his songs, but quite irregularly (depending on the ‘phr

Re: Can an augmentation dot be parenthesized?

2017-05-24 Thread David Nalesnik
Hi, On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Lukas-Fabian Moser wrote: > Hi Robert, > >> >> I would tather like to parenthesize these added augmenation dots but I've >> not found a way to do that. > > > I don't know how to parenthesize them, but here is a solution yielding > brackets around them: You c

Re: Can an augmentation dot be parenthesized?

2017-05-24 Thread Thomas Morley
2017-05-24 10:58 GMT+02:00 Robert Blackstone : > > Dear all, > I'm transcribing a few handwritten late 17th century fragments of music. > > There are a few problematic spots. (Perhaps the composer or writer was in a > hurry, the whole thing is difficult to read anyway and it contains some > symbo

Re: Can an augmentation dot be parenthesized?

2017-05-24 Thread Lukas-Fabian Moser
Hi Robert, > I would tather like to parenthesize these added augmenation dots but I've > not found a way to do that. > I don't know how to parenthesize them, but here is a solution yielding brackets around them: \version "2.19.44" #(define (special-bracketify original-stencil len thick protusi

Re: changing alignment of augmentation dots across multiple voices in the same staff

2017-05-24 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 5/24/17 7:49 AM, "David Nalesnik" wrote: >On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Kieren MacMillan > wrote: >> Hi David, >> >>> I would say so. However, the situation is more complicated: >> >> #ugh #IsntItAlways >> >>> [Simon:] maybe a context property to turn off alignment of dotted >>>rests would

Re: Permission for music

2017-05-24 Thread Paul Scott
On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 02:35:57PM +0200, Manuela Gößnitzer wrote: > IMSLP hosts only free scores, the composer must have been deceased for more > than 70 years. It's not that simple at all. IMSLP has music that is copyrighted and relies on the downloader to not break copyright laws. For exampl

different margins for headers/footers than systems/score

2017-05-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hello all, In the snippet below, I’m trying to have a “fancy header”, where the inside edge (barline) of the score is aligned with the inside edge of the header, but the outside edge (barline) of the score is aligned to a line in the header *outside of which the page number appears*. I’ve tried

Re: Frecobaldi 3.0 install

2017-05-24 Thread Using
Hi, Knute, Thank you. I will send to frecobaldi as suggested. Ming Sent from my iPhone > On May 23, 2017, at 1:46 PM, Knute Snortum wrote: > > You may have gotten no responses because this is off-topic for this list. > Have you tried the Frescobaldi mailing list? > > http://frescobaldi.org/l

Re: changing alignment of augmentation dots across multiple voices in the same staff

2017-05-24 Thread David Nalesnik
On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > Hi David, > >> I would say so. However, the situation is more complicated: > > #ugh #IsntItAlways > >> [Simon:] maybe a context property to turn off alignment of dotted rests >> would be useful? > > That sounds like it might work! > I

Re: Permission for music

2017-05-24 Thread mskala
On Wed, 24 May 2017, Manuela Gößnitzer wrote: > Which website would that be? AFAIK this here is a mailing list, there is no > website with music sheets. This is one reason that putting advertising for the LilyPond Web site in every PDF document by default may not be such a great idea. It makes Li

Re: Permission for music

2017-05-24 Thread Manuela Gößnitzer
IMSLP hosts only free scores, the composer must have been deceased for more than 70 years. Last time I checked YT was still alive ;-) actually he is much younger than I am. I have done engraving of Amelie theme myself for private purposes, I think the sheet I produced is nicer than Kevin's. Greet

Re: repeat percent footnote

2017-05-24 Thread Gianmaria Lari
I can live without it :) It was more a curiosity than a necessity. Thank you anyway! g. On 24 May 2017 at 10:57, Thomas Morley wrote: > 2017-05-24 9:01 GMT+02:00 Gianmaria Lari : > > Need again some help about footnote and repeat. Have a look to this > example: > > > > \version "2.19.60" > > {

Re: Permission for music

2017-05-24 Thread N. Andrew Walsh
Hi List, doing a quick google search for the title and "sheet music" returns this link on the first page: http://www.kevinhabits.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Amelie-theme-Yann-Tiersen.pdf which was engraved with Lilypond (as noted in the sheet music). I'm guessing this is the sheet music to wh

Re: Permission for music

2017-05-24 Thread Remy CLAVERIE
May be she was talking about the IMSLP website ? The best,   Rémy           > Message du 24/05/17 11:10 > De : "Manuela Gößnitzer" > A : "Sarah Fosdick" > Copie à : "lilypond-user Mailinglist" > Objet : Re: Permission for music > > Which website would that be? AFAIK this here is a

re: Can an augmentation dot be parenthesized?

2017-05-24 Thread Remy CLAVERIE
Hi Robert,   You can use this definition: ficta = { \once \override AccidentalSuggestion #'parenthesized = ##t \once \set suggestAccidentals = ##t }   And use it this way just before the note with an ? : cis4 \ficta cis?   Have a nice day,   Rémy     > Message du 24/05/17 10:59 > De :

Re: Permission for music

2017-05-24 Thread Manuela Gößnitzer
Which website would that be? AFAIK this here is a mailing list, there is no website with music sheets. Greetings Manuela 2017-05-24 2:40 GMT+02:00 Sarah Fosdick : > Hi, I am a piano student, and I have a piano test coming up. I know the > song "Comptine d'un autre été - L'aprés-midi by Yann Tier

Can an augmentation dot be parenthesized?

2017-05-24 Thread Robert Blackstone
Dear all, I'm transcribing a few handwritten late 17th century fragments of music. There are a few problematic spots. (Perhaps the composer or writer was in a hurry, the whole thing is difficult to read anyway and it contains some symbols I've never seen before. see screensho.t) For two consecu

Re: repeat percent footnote

2017-05-24 Thread Thomas Morley
2017-05-24 9:01 GMT+02:00 Gianmaria Lari : > Need again some help about footnote and repeat. Have a look to this example: > > \version "2.19.60" > { > \repeat percent 2 {c'8 d' e' f' \footnote #'(1 . 5) "This is a note on > percent" RepeatSlash } > \repeat percent 2 {c'4 d' e' f' \footnote #'(1

Permission for music

2017-05-24 Thread Sarah Fosdick
Hi, I am a piano student, and I have a piano test coming up. I know the song "Comptine d'un autre été - L'aprés-midi by Yann Tiersen. I printed the sheet music off your website, and was wondering if I have permission to use the music for my coming up piano test? Thank you! _

Re: repeat percent footnote

2017-05-24 Thread Gianmaria Lari
Need again some help about footnote and repeat. Have a look to this example: \version "2.19.60" { \repeat percent 2 {c'8 d' e' f' \footnote #'(1 . 5) "This is a note on percent" RepeatSlash } \repeat percent 2 {c'4 d' e' f' \footnote #'(1 . 5) "This also" PercentRepeat} } It works only for t