Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-24 Thread Janek Warchoł
2011/8/24 Robert Schmaus : > I doubt I'll be able to produce a proper style file though - I'm too new > at lilypond engraving, I have never myself dived into creating some > tricky functions in a forest of brackets, and such. I'd love to work on > it (and learn lots in the process) but someone with

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-24 Thread Christopher R. Maden
On 08/24/2011 08:30 PM, PMA wrote: > I'm confused. Please forgive a terribly naive question -- > > *If* my LilyPond output PDF were to match what Schott wants to see > (in other words, a correct Schott-targeted style-sheet would not > have changed it), then would Schott print my original PDF *as

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-24 Thread Urs Liska
Am 25.08.2011 02:30, schrieb PMA: I'm confused. Please forgive a terribly naive question -- *If* my LilyPond output PDF were to match what Schott wants to see (in other words, a correct Schott-targeted style-sheet would not have changed it), then would Schott print my original PDF *as-is*? Tha

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-24 Thread PMA
I'm confused. Please forgive a terribly naive question -- *If* my LilyPond output PDF were to match what Schott wants to see (in other words, a correct Schott-targeted style-sheet would not have changed it), then would Schott print my original PDF *as-is*? Thanks, Pete Urs Liska wrote: Dear F

Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
David, >> No: this is trivial to obtain from #2 or #3, via XSLT. > You are using "trivial" like a mathematician, strictly interchangeable with > "doable". Actually, I was using "trivial" in two ways: 1. As a mathematician (yes, I've had several papers published in peer-reviewed journals), I was

Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-24 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 8/24/11 6:00 PM, "Kieren MacMillan" wrote: > Hi Carl, > > > My question is this: In what format is the final, typeset music stream such > that extracting the music information only would be massively easier than > extracting the music and layout information? > I don't believe there *is* a

Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Urs: > I think 1) should be done in a manner that can be further developped to a > solution of 2). Yes — exactly. Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Carl, > Do you want > > 1) XML that captures only the music (and could be imported into some other > program which will make the layout decisions)? No: this is trivial to obtain from #2 or #3, via XSLT. > 2) XML that captures both the music and the layout (and could therefore be > printed by

Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-24 Thread Urs Liska
Am 25.08.2011 01:48, schrieb Carl Sorensen: On 8/24/11 5:31 PM, "Michael Ellis" wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi all, In short, the only way to make it extendable for the future (so that one day we can also export the layout) is to handle (MusicXML) expor

Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-24 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 8/24/11 5:31 PM, "Michael Ellis" wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Kieren MacMillan > wrote: >> Hi all, >> In short, the only way to make it extendable for the future (so that one day we can also export the layout) is to handle (MusicXML) export similar to MIDI gene

Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-24 Thread Michael Ellis
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Kieren MacMillan < kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Hi all, > > > In short, the only way to make it extendable for the future (so > > that one day we can also export the layout) is to handle (MusicXML) > export > > similar to MIDI generation, namely via tran

Re: New LilyPond tutorial

2011-08-24 Thread Urs Liska
Am 24.08.2011 15:15, schrieb Colin Campbell: On 11-08-24 03:26 AM, Urs Liska wrote: Am 24.08.2011 11:19, schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska writes: OTOH I don't think there is any problem with the mere existence of non-free documentation. Correct. The actual problem is the non-existence of fr

Re: New LilyPond tutorial

2011-08-24 Thread Urs Liska
Am 24.08.2011 11:49, schrieb Reinhold Kainhofer: Am Wednesday, 24. August 2011, 02:00:16 schrieb Urs Liska: Hello list, I have just put a new tutorial online. You can read it at http://www.ursliska.de/73.0.html [..] Really nice. Comments that arent' interesting for the public (linguistic de

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-24 Thread Urs Liska
Dear Francois, I'm sorry to tell you that I'm convinced that Robert's translation - although not completely literally correct - does very well match what Schott wanted to express: Am 25.08.2011 00:29, schrieb Francois Planiol: Dear Robert, The translation doesnt match totally. (In my own w

Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, > In short, the only way to make it extendable for the future (so > that one day we can also export the layout) is to handle (MusicXML) export > similar to MIDI generation, namely via translators that collect all events > and > all settings as they appear in the score. +1. KMac. _

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-24 Thread Francois Planiol
Dear Robert, The translation doesnt match totally. (In my own words, to point out what is important in this text, after 20 years in Germany as church musician): > Es ist in den letzten Jahren zum Standard geworden, dass Herausgeber > oder Autoren die Notendateien ihrer Werke für den Notensatz fe

Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-24 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Wednesday, 24. August 2011, 23:33:02 schrieb Michael Ellis: > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > > It's only about an hour of work (see below) to convert a simple and > > prepared .ly score to musicxml, see below. > > That sounds encouraging. So how far away are we fr

Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-24 Thread Michael Ellis
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > Pierre THIERRY writes: > > [cc lilypond-devel] > > > If memory serves, so far we have US$200, C$100 and €200. If I were to > > work alone on this bounty, that would allow me to allocate > > approximately 20hrs, which should clearly be en

Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-24 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Pierre THIERRY writes: [cc lilypond-devel] > If memory serves, so far we have US$200, C$100 and €200. If I were to > work alone on this bounty, that would allow me to allocate > approximately 20hrs, which should clearly be enough to write a nice > XML exporting in some schema mimicking Lilypond's

Re: Extra white space for Chordnames

2011-08-24 Thread -Eluze
Daniel-426 wrote: > > I would like to increase the amount of whitespace between the chordnames > and > the staff below them, but am having no success. I have tried some > variation > of all of the following with no results. > > What the heck is the magic command to add some space? Am I putting

Extra white space for Chordnames

2011-08-24 Thread Basso Ridiculoso
I would like to increase the amount of whitespace between the chordnames and the staff below them, but am having no success. I have tried some variation of all of the following with no results. \override Staff.VerticalAxisGroup #'minimum-Y-extent = #'( 4 . 4) (with negative and positive values) \o

Re: New LilyPond tutorial

2011-08-24 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:42:23AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > Janek Warchoł writes: > > > 2011/8/24 Graham Percival : > >> The normal thing to would be to add a link to the wiki. > > > > Which is down at the moment, if i'm not mistaken? Could be. If so, this just demonstrates that the lilypo

open source

2011-08-24 Thread Gerard McConnell
Hello, This probably isn't really the right place to post this, but I know people here know the answer to my query. I've put together a web-site for learning Fux-style species counterpoint. Although some of the music examples were drawn in the dark days before I discovered Lilypond, most of them we

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-24 Thread Robert Schmaus
Hi Kieren, yes, technically possible - no doubt! I meant if it was possible to convince a (possibly major) publisher to accept and offer on their website a lilypond style file, so that from then on, also lilypond code would be officially accepted by them. I guess that would require disclosure of

Re: New LilyPond tutorial

2011-08-24 Thread Colin Campbell
On 11-08-24 03:26 AM, Urs Liska wrote: Am 24.08.2011 11:19, schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska writes: OTOH I don't think there is any problem with the mere existence of non-free documentation. Correct. The actual problem is the non-existence of free documentation, and creating references to

Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-24 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Christ van Willegen dies 24/08/2011 hora 06:23: > > I offered a $100 bounty a couple of years ago on this idea and it > still stands. Count me in for €200. Me, too, would like to see > Lilypond's usage expanded! If memory serves, so far we have US$200, C$100 and €200. If I were to work al

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Robert, > I wonder if it was possible to come to an arrangement with such a major > player to produce "style files" (Schott.ly) that will actually meet > their publishing standard (without the need for post-editing) Of course that's possible — in fact, I've got a choral octavo stylesheet that

Re: MusicXML exporter (was Re: Lilypond lobbying?)

2011-08-24 Thread Federico Bruni
Il giorno mer, 24/08/2011 alle 06.23 +0200, Christ van Willegen ha scritto: > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 03:26, Jonathan Kulp wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Michael Ellis > > wrote: > >> Count me in for US$100 toward the project. Not sure how much programming > > > > I offered a $100 b

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-24 Thread Robert Schmaus
> [1] this was far earlier than my time, but we probably have some > people on this list who remember those "good old days". Remember > when a "calculator" meant a human being? :) Yeah! Or when "video" simply was a latin word ... But just for the sake of completeness, I have also asked a ma

Re: New LilyPond tutorial

2011-08-24 Thread Janek Warchoł
2011/8/24 Reinhold Kainhofer : > 2) Resetting the tie direction to the default in rightOne is much simpler than > you thought. In particular, \voiceOne simply sets (i.e. does the same as > \override) the 'direction property of several grobs, including Tie. > So, to get the oneVoice-behaviour, all y

Re: New LilyPond tutorial

2011-08-24 Thread David Kastrup
Reinhold Kainhofer writes: > Am Wednesday, 24. August 2011, 10:42:23 schrieb David Kastrup: >> I'd like to point to >> http://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/maintain.html#Ethical-and-Philosophic >> al-Consideration> from the guidelines for maintainers of GNU projects. >> >> A GNU package should n

Re: New LilyPond tutorial

2011-08-24 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Wednesday, 24. August 2011, 10:42:23 schrieb David Kastrup: > I'd like to point to > http://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/maintain.html#Ethical-and-Philosophic > al-Consideration> from the guidelines for maintainers of GNU projects. > > A GNU package should not refer the user to any non-free >

Re: New LilyPond tutorial

2011-08-24 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Wednesday, 24. August 2011, 02:00:16 schrieb Urs Liska: > Hello list, > > I have just put a new tutorial online. You can read it at > http://www.ursliska.de/73.0.html [..] Really nice. > Comments that arent' interesting for the public (linguistic details for > example) please privately, LilyP

Re: New LilyPond tutorial

2011-08-24 Thread Urs Liska
Am 24.08.2011 11:19, schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska writes: OTOH I don't think there is any problem with the mere existence of non-free documentation. Correct. The actual problem is the non-existence of free documentation, and creating references to non-free documentation is a disincentive

Re: New LilyPond tutorial

2011-08-24 Thread David Kastrup
Urs Liska writes: > OTOH I don't think there is any problem with the mere existence of > non-free documentation. Correct. The actual problem is the non-existence of free documentation, and creating references to non-free documentation is a disincentive to changing that. I am glad that you see

Re: New LilyPond tutorial

2011-08-24 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2011-08-24 um 10:11 schrieb Urs Liska: that’s what I should have read before starting your Fried scores ;-) Thank you! Thank you. That's the best thing I could hope to read :-) Maybe this project somewhat influenced the idea of writing this tutorial. You noticed the tiny anonymous referen

Re: New LilyPond tutorial

2011-08-24 Thread Urs Liska
Am 24.08.2011 10:42, schrieb David Kastrup: Janek Warchoł writes: 2011/8/24 Graham Percival: On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 07:40:50PM -0600, Colin Campbell wrote: Very nicely done, indeed, Urs! Thanks for putting this together. Graham, would this be something to be linked from LM? The n

Re: New LilyPond tutorial

2011-08-24 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > 2011/8/24 Graham Percival : >> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 07:40:50PM -0600, Colin Campbell wrote: >>>    Very nicely done, indeed, Urs!  Thanks for putting this together.   >>> Graham, >>>    would this be something to be linked from LM? >> >> The normal thing to would be to

Re: New LilyPond tutorial

2011-08-24 Thread Janek Warchoł
2011/8/24 Graham Percival : > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 07:40:50PM -0600, Colin Campbell wrote: >>    Very nicely done, indeed, Urs!  Thanks for putting this together.  Graham, >>    would this be something to be linked from LM? > > The normal thing to would be to add a link to the wiki. Which is do

Re: New LilyPond tutorial

2011-08-24 Thread David Kastrup
Ben Luo writes: > What's the license? > > Interesting question. I thought about this a little bit, but didn't > find an answer. > > * I don't want anybody to modify the text, but I gladly > incorporate useful enhancements, giving the respective credits. > > * I do

Re: New LilyPond tutorial

2011-08-24 Thread Urs Liska
Am 24.08.2011 10:05, schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm: Am 2011-08-24 um 02:00 schrieb Urs Liska: Hello list, I have just put a new tutorial online. You can read it at http://www.ursliska.de/73.0.html Hi Urs, that’s what I should have read before starting your Fried scores ;-) Thank you! Than

Re: New LilyPond tutorial

2011-08-24 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2011-08-24 um 02:00 schrieb Urs Liska: Hello list, I have just put a new tutorial online. You can read it at http://www.ursliska.de/73.0.html Hi Urs, that’s what I should have read before starting your Fried scores ;-) Thank you! Greetlings from Lake Constance --- fiëé visuëlle Hennin

Re: New LilyPond tutorial

2011-08-24 Thread Urs Liska
Am 24.08.2011 09:50, schrieb Ben Luo: On 24/08/2011 15:16, Urs Liska wrote: Am 24.08.2011 08:41, schrieb Ben Luo: On 24/08/2011 08:00, Urs Liska wrote: Hello list, I have just put a new tutorial online. You can read it at http://www.ursliska.de/73.0.html ... Hi Urs, Hi Ben, Very nice ar

Re: New LilyPond tutorial

2011-08-24 Thread Ben Luo
On 24/08/2011 15:16, Urs Liska wrote: Am 24.08.2011 08:41, schrieb Ben Luo: On 24/08/2011 08:00, Urs Liska wrote: Hello list, I have just put a new tutorial online. You can read it at http://www.ursliska.de/73.0.html ... Hi Urs, Hi Ben, Very nice article. Thanks What's the license? In

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-24 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 08:33:11AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: >> Janek Warchoł writes: >> >> > I am very surprised that so many of the LilyPond users are composers! >> > I was quite sure that Lily is mostly suited for engravers and editors. >> >> Well, what would you

Re: Lilypond's SVG output

2011-08-24 Thread Marek Klein
Hello, 2011/8/18 Sandor Spruit > > Hello, > > I recently had an informal discussion with some collegues on the use of > SVG, in general. > They are in music research, I am a developer working on a completely > unrelated topic - > so please forgive me my ignorance w.r.t. music-related terminology

Re: New LilyPond tutorial

2011-08-24 Thread Mike Solomon
On Aug 24, 2011, at 2:00 AM, Urs Liska wrote: > Hello list, > > I have just put a new tutorial online. You can read it at > http://www.ursliska.de/73.0.html > > It is meant for intermediate beginners who want to go for some more complex > tasks and are as confused with LilyPond as I was not lon

Re: New LilyPond tutorial

2011-08-24 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 07:40:50PM -0600, Colin Campbell wrote: >Very nicely done, indeed, Urs! Thanks for putting this together. Graham, >would this be something to be linked from LM? The normal thing to would be to add a link to the wiki. Cheers, - Graham

Re: New LilyPond tutorial

2011-08-24 Thread Urs Liska
Am 24.08.2011 08:41, schrieb Ben Luo: On 24/08/2011 08:00, Urs Liska wrote: Hello list, I have just put a new tutorial online. You can read it at http://www.ursliska.de/73.0.html ... Hi Urs, Hi Ben, Very nice article. Thanks What's the license? Interesting question. I thought about thi

Re: Lilypond lobbying?

2011-08-24 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 08:33:11AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > Janek Warchoł writes: > > > I am very surprised that so many of the LilyPond users are composers! > > I was quite sure that Lily is mostly suited for engravers and editors. > > Well, what would you call it if you are practicing mus