Re: changes to Clef

2010-02-02 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 2/2/10 5:19 AM, "Valentin Villenave" wrote: > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Patrick Schmidt wrote: >> They are commonly used by music educators and in instruction books. I'd even >> say G, C and F clefs are less abstract than treble, alto or bass clefs as >> they directly help to "decode"

Re: changes to Clef

2010-02-02 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Patrick Schmidt wrote: > They are commonly used by music educators and in instruction books. I'd even > say G, C and F clefs are less abstract than treble, alto or bass clefs as > they directly help to "decode" the score which is IMHO the main function of a > cl

Re: changes to Clef

2010-02-02 Thread Patrick Schmidt
Original-Nachricht > Datum: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 10:20:32 +1100 > Von: Peter Chubb > An: Graham Percival > CC: Carl Sorensen , Patrick Schmidt , > "lilypond-devel@gnu.org" > Betreff: Re: changes to Clef > >>>>> "Graham"

Re: changes to Clef

2010-02-01 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 2/1/10 4:36 PM, "Ian Hulin" wrote: > Hi Peter, > > On 01/02/10 23:20, Peter Chubb wrote: >>> "Graham" == Graham Percival writes: >> >> Graham> On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 07:51:03PM -0700, Carl Sorensen wrote: >> >> Graham> I'd rather keep them at the end, to somewhat discourage their

Re: changes to Clef

2010-02-01 Thread Ian Hulin
Hi Peter, On 01/02/10 23:20, Peter Chubb wrote: "Graham" == Graham Percival writes: Graham> On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 07:51:03PM -0700, Carl Sorensen wrote: Graham> I'd rather keep them at the end, to somewhat discourage their Graham> use. Only music history geeks will understand them; \tr

Re: changes to Clef

2010-02-01 Thread Peter Chubb
> "Graham" == Graham Percival writes: Graham> On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 07:51:03PM -0700, Carl Sorensen wrote: Graham> I'd rather keep them at the end, to somewhat discourage their Graham> use. Only music history geeks will understand them; \treble Graham> is much more widely understood. No

Re: changes to Clef

2010-01-31 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 07:51:03PM -0700, Carl Sorensen wrote: > > On 1/31/10 11:55 AM, "Patrick Schmidt" wrote: > > > OK, so how about placing them closer to the treble, alto and bass clefs to > > show that they can be used alternatively? > > I'd be fine to have \treble \G \tenor \C \bass \F.

Re: changes to Clef

2010-01-31 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 1/31/10 11:55 AM, "Patrick Schmidt" wrote: > > > Original-Nachricht >> Datum: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:52:31 -0700 >> Von: Carl Sorensen >> An: "lilypond-devel@gnu.org" , Patrick Schmidt >> >> CC: Graham P

Re: changes to Clef

2010-01-31 Thread Nicolas Sceaux
Le 31 janv. 2010 à 12:50, Reinhold Kainhofer a écrit : > Before ~1800, the G clef was mainly used for violins, while all choral voices > and > most other instruments used either a C-clef of the bass clef, thus in > German, it is now usually called the "Violin-Schlüssel". The English name > "tr

Re: changes to Clef

2010-01-31 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
On Sunday 31 January 2010 09:47:36 David Kastrup wrote: > Carl Sorensen writes: > > Dear Patrick, > > > >> If there's a desire to emphasize the abbreviated nature -- and > >> really, "abbreviated" is not the right word, since G is not an > >> abbreviation of "treble" -- a comment in the @lilypond

Re: changes to Clef

2010-01-31 Thread David Kastrup
Carl Sorensen writes: > Dear Patrick, > >> If there's a desire to emphasize the abbreviated nature -- and >> really, "abbreviated" is not the right word, since G is not an >> abbreviation of "treble" -- a comment in the @lilypond would do >> this. > > Instead of "abbreviated", I've used the word

Re: changes to Clef

2010-01-30 Thread Carl Sorensen
Dear Patrick, I made a mistake in pushing your patch, because I did not verify first that it met the LilyPond documentation standards. The documentation standards are found in sections 4.4 and 4.5 of the Contributor's Guide.

Re: changes to Clef

2010-01-30 Thread Carl Sorensen
Oops, I forgot to put my policy hat on. I will fix things up. As I looked, the main point I checked was that the drum clef and tab clef moved out of clefs and to the instrument-specific sections. I didn't check the other stuff. Again, I'm sorry about these mistakes. I'll fix it right now. Th

changes to Clef

2010-01-30 Thread Graham Percival
Carl, why did you push the recent change to Clef? 1. no contractions, please. I'm not convinced about the new language there, anyway -- what about "(but are not required to be)" ? 2. we have a policy of "show, don't tell". Why did we remove \clef G, F, C from the example? If there's a desire