Re: critical issues

2013-03-26 Thread David Kastrup
"m...@mikesolomon.org" writes: > There are two critical issues that we're going to have to start > seriously thinking about now if 2.18 is going to happen anytime soon: > > https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2733 > > I'm not comfortable marking this critical: not because it is no

Re: critical issues

2013-03-26 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > >> https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2656 >> >> This is really bad. I agree that it is critical. I unfortunately >> have no way to test this, but do people have an ETA for fixing this? >> If not, it will hold 2.18 up for

Re: critical issues

2013-03-26 Thread m...@mikesolomon.org
On 27 mars 2013, at 07:54, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > >> https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2656 >> >> This is really bad. I agree that it is critical. I unfortunately >> have no way to test this, but do people have an ETA for fixing this? >> If not, it will hold 2.18 up for a

Re: critical issues

2013-03-26 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2656 > > This is really bad. I agree that it is critical. I unfortunately > have no way to test this, but do people have an ETA for fixing this? > If not, it will hold 2.18 up for a long time, in which it may be > worth pushing the translate

Re: critical issues

2012-01-11 Thread Łukasz Czerwiński
Thanks for all answers. On 8 January 2012 23:47, Janek Warchoł wrote: > W dniu 8 stycznia 2012 10:11 użytkownik James napisał: > > Start by looking here: > > > http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/list?can=2&q=&sort=priority&colspec=ID&x=type&y=priority&mode=grid&cells=tiles > > Umm, guys,

Re: critical issues

2012-01-09 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > According to our motto the aim of LilyPond is "music engraving to > everyone" - i'd say it's a very good goal. It would mean that a > person with average computer skills (like navigating a web browser and > using word processor) should be able to create very good engravin

Re: critical issues

2012-01-08 Thread Janek Warchoł
W dniu 8 stycznia 2012 02:54 użytkownik Graham Percival napisał: > On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 01:52:41AM +0100, Łukasz Czerwiński wrote: >> * Let's assume that I would like to help in developing Lilypond, but >>I don't have my own idea, what part of it I could improve. What >>wou

Re: critical issues

2012-01-08 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On Jan 8, 2012, at 2:54 AM, Graham Percival wrote: > On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 01:52:41AM +0100, Łukasz Czerwiński wrote: >> >> Are there some guidelines how to write new code to work in the same >> manner as the already written code? > > We have a contributor's guide. It is not complete, but t

Re: critical issues

2012-01-08 Thread James
Hello, 2012/1/8 Łukasz Czerwiński : > What's the aim of Lilypond? err.. "LilyPond is a music engraving program, devoted to producing the highest-quality sheet music possible. It brings the aesthetics of traditionally engraved music to computer printouts." > And why isn't it competing with Fina

Re: critical issues

2012-01-07 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 01:52:41AM +0100, Łukasz Czerwiński wrote: >As for all the emails that were written it the last two days, I believe >that a sort of coordination is needed in each project. We have the amount of coordination that we have chosen. > * Let's assume that I would li

Re: critical issues

2012-01-07 Thread Łukasz Czerwiński
First of all I would like to apologize for misjudging Lilypond project. As for all the emails that were written it the last two days, I believe that a sort of coordination is needed in each project. Maybe for some of them there must be one boss with many programmers and designers, while for other

Re: critical issues

2012-01-07 Thread Janek Warchoł
David, 2012/1/7 David Kastrup : > I really don't quite get the point of complaining that I provide > alternative ways of accessing functionality.  Nobody forces you to make > use of them. 2012/1/7 David Kastrup : > In the light of the focus of the work I have been doing for several > months, I ha

Re: critical issues

2012-01-07 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > What i want to say is, i'm afraid you might have forgotten how it > feels to be a non-programmer. It's not a joke that for average person > that wants to produce some notation, it's hard enough to use text > input. In the light of the focus of the work I have been doing

Re: critical issues

2012-01-07 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > 2012/1/5 David Kastrup : >> >> Janek Warchoł writes: >> >>> 2012/1/4 David Kastrup : \layout {   \layout-from { \compressFullBarRests     \override Score.SpacingSpanner #'common-shortest-duration =     #(ly:make-moment 6 10)   }   etc...

Re: critical issues

2012-01-06 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/1/5 David Kastrup : > > Janek Warchoł writes: > >> 2012/1/4 David Kastrup : >>> \layout { >>>   \layout-from { \compressFullBarRests >>>     \override Score.SpacingSpanner #'common-shortest-duration = >>>     #(ly:make-moment 6 10) >>>   } >>>   etc... >>> } >> >> ok...  However - i'm very so

Re: critical issues

2012-01-05 Thread David Kastrup
"m...@apollinemike.com" writes: > On Jan 5, 2012, at 9:14 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > >> "m...@apollinemike.com" writes: >> >>> On Jan 5, 2012, at 1:20 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: >>> Correct me if i'm wrong, but my impression is that there is no particular direction in which we are goin

Re: critical issues

2012-01-05 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On Jan 5, 2012, at 9:14 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > "m...@apollinemike.com" writes: > >> On Jan 5, 2012, at 1:20 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: >> >>> Correct me if i'm wrong, but my impression is that >>> there is no particular direction in which we are going. >> >> I'm sure that other people have t

Re: critical issues

2012-01-05 Thread David Kastrup
"m...@apollinemike.com" writes: > On Jan 5, 2012, at 1:20 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: > >> Correct me if i'm wrong, but my impression is that >> there is no particular direction in which we are going. > > I'm sure that other people have their pet projects as well. The > ensemble of these projects i

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On Jan 5, 2012, at 1:20 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: > Correct me if i'm wrong, but my impression is that > there is no particular direction in which we are going. > I think that it is very difficult to set these goals because different things interest different people. I know that Bertrand and I

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > 2012/1/4 David Kastrup : \settingsFrom is actually returning a Scheme expression for \with to use. It makes things rather simpler than more complex, even though it constitutes a Scheme expression. >>> >>> Um... i would really love to be able to type >>> \l

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread Janek Warchoł
Adding Luke to recipients again... (please remember to include him as he's not signed to our mailing lists), 2012/1/4 David Kastrup : > Łukasz Czerwiński writes: >> Regarding all those fragments of Janek's and David's emails: For some time >> I have been observing how bug are being fixed in Lily

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/1/4 David Kastrup : >>> \settingsFrom is actually returning a Scheme expression for \with to >>> use. It makes things rather simpler than more complex, even though it >>> constitutes a Scheme expression. >> >> Um... i would really love to be able to type >> \layout { >> \compressFullBar

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/1/4 James : > hello, > > On 3 Jan 2012, at 22:26, Janek Warchoł wrote: >> I might have given you a wrong impression, i don't think its really >> that bad.  There is some teamwork, but no leader indeed. > > to use an English expression ... poppycock! > > Janek you may have not noticed that the

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread David Kastrup
David Kastrup writes: > Janek Warchoł writes: > >>>  \layout { >>>    \context { >>>      \Score >>>      \with \settingsFrom { \compressFullBarRests } >>>    } >>>    \context { >>>      \Staff >>>      \with \settingsFrom { \accidentalStyle modern } >>>    } >>>  } >>> } >>> \end{lilypond} >>>

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread David Kastrup
Łukasz Czerwiński writes: > On 3 January 2012 21:47, Janek Warchoł wrote: > >> >> > I am a TeX specialist, system programmer, Emacs specialist, the GNU >> > maintainer (and a rather pitiful one) for AUCTeX (lytex and itexi >> > anybody? preview-latex for Lilypond?) > > Mmm... Preview for Lilypon

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread Łukasz Czerwiński
On 3 January 2012 21:47, Janek Warchoł wrote: > > > I am a TeX specialist, system programmer, Emacs specialist, the GNU > > maintainer (and a rather pitiful one) for AUCTeX (lytex and itexi > > anybody? preview-latex for Lilypond?) Mmm... Preview for Lilypond? Sounds like a good start for a real

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: >>  \layout { >>    \context { >>      \Score >>      \with \settingsFrom { \compressFullBarRests } >>    } >>    \context { >>      \Staff >>      \with \settingsFrom { \accidentalStyle modern } >>    } >>  } >> } >> \end{lilypond} >> >> \ph is a music function written in S

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread James
hello, On 3 Jan 2012, at 22:26, Janek Warchoł wrote: > Hi Luke, > > nice to see you joining the discussion :) > > W dniu 3 stycznia 2012 23:06 użytkownik Łukasz Czerwiński > napisał: >>> That's like + from me! >>> In general, i agree that we should think in a more 'release-oriented' >>> w

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi Luke, nice to see you joining the discussion :) W dniu 3 stycznia 2012 23:06 użytkownik Łukasz Czerwiński napisał: >> That's like + from me! >> In general, i agree that we should think in a more 'release-oriented' >> way ("last stable release was half a year ago, so we should make >> anot

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/1/3 David Kastrup : > Janek Warchoł writes: > >> 2012/1/3 David Kastrup : > >>> LilyPond needs to get into a state where, say, half the >>> engravers are written and maintained in Scheme.  And by "Scheme" I don't >>> mean "Scheme at the level Nicolas can barely handle" but "Scheme a >>> Fortr

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > 2012/1/3 David Kastrup : >> LilyPond needs to get into a state where, say, half the >> engravers are written and maintained in Scheme.  And by "Scheme" I don't >> mean "Scheme at the level Nicolas can barely handle" but "Scheme a >> Fortran programmer would not have all t

Re: critical issues -- hope you're having fun

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:57:24PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: >> James writes: >> >> > My question to David, because I am not getting where the 'ire' is >> > coming from, why do you care if we release dev after dev release vs >> > stable? > > Yeah, especially since Ca

Re: critical issues -- hope you're having fun

2012-01-03 Thread James
Hello, On 3 January 2012 20:49, Graham Percival wrote: > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:57:24PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: >> James writes: >> >> > My question to David, because I am not getting where the 'ire' is >> > coming from, why do you care if we release dev after dev release vs >> > stable?

Re: critical issues -- hope you're having fun

2012-01-03 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:57:24PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > James writes: > > > My question to David, because I am not getting where the 'ire' is > > coming from, why do you care if we release dev after dev release vs > > stable? Yeah, especially since Carl was *already* making good progres

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/1/3 David Kastrup : > Janek Warchoł writes: > >> 2012/1/3 David Kastrup : >>> The Learning Guide and the Notation Guide need a complete rereading and >>> reorganization, and it is not like the Extending Guide is in >>> significantly better shape. >> >> I'd like to fix them too, but i don't ha

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > 2012/1/3 David Kastrup : >> The Learning Guide and the Notation Guide need a complete rereading and >> reorganization, and it is not like the Extending Guide is in >> significantly better shape. > > I'd like to fix them too, but i don't have time for everything i want > :(

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/1/3 Graham Percival : > It so happens that none of these Critical issues are really > fixable by reverting a single commit. > > [...] ok, thanks for this explanation! >> Is finding them an easy (no knowledge >> needed, a complete set of dumbed-down instructions can be given) task >> that can

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
James writes: > Hello, > > On 3 January 2012 12:53, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: If we refuse thinking about stable releases by taking GUB as an excuse, the grand next stable release that will benefit users of many operating sy

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: >>> If we refuse thinking about stable releases by taking GUB as an >>> excuse, the grand next stable release that will benefit users of >>> many operating systems is likely to fall in the class "too little, >>> to

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
"m...@apollinemike.com" writes: > One in-the-middle approach is to check out package managers that are > offering LilyPond releases. I know, for example, that brew offers a > version of LilyPond on Mac OS X. If we provide a list of package > managers and how-tos for the techno-phobic, that may

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread James
Hello, On 3 January 2012 12:53, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: >>> If we refuse thinking about stable releases by taking GUB as an >>> excuse, the grand next stable release that will benefit users of >>> many operating systems is likely to fall i

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG writes: >> If we refuse thinking about stable releases by taking GUB as an >> excuse, the grand next stable release that will benefit users of >> many operating systems is likely to fall in the class "too little, >> too late". > > I second David. Given that we develop within a GNU

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: >> If we refuse thinking about stable releases by taking GUB as an >> excuse, the grand next stable release that will benefit users of >> many operating systems is likely to fall in the class "too little, >> too late". > > I second David.  Giv

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On Jan 3, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > >> If we refuse thinking about stable releases by taking GUB as an >> excuse, the grand next stable release that will benefit users of >> many operating systems is likely to fall in the class "too little, >> too late". > > I second David. Give

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> If we refuse thinking about stable releases by taking GUB as an > excuse, the grand next stable release that will benefit users of > many operating systems is likely to fall in the class "too little, > too late". I second David. Given that we develop within a GNU environment, bugs specific to

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "David Kastrup" To: "Phil Holmes" No. I have an Ubuntu VM which I use for quick experiments and a very fast Ubuntu PC which I use for full builds. But I support lilypond because I _use_ it for typesetting music on a _Windows_ machine. Take away that abilit

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
"Phil Holmes" writes: > From: "David Kastrup" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 11:44 AM > Subject: Re: critical issues > >> "Phil Holmes" writes: >> >>> From: "David Kastrup" >>> To: >&

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "David Kastrup" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 11:44 AM Subject: Re: critical issues "Phil Holmes" writes: From: "David Kastrup" To: There is a _reason_ the remaining OSX and Windows based developers a

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
"Phil Holmes" writes: > From: "David Kastrup" > To: > >> There is a _reason_ the remaining OSX and Windows based developers >> are doing (definitely important) documentation and web site work. >> They are to a large degree locked out and dependent on support from >> surplus GNU/Linux-based deve

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "David Kastrup" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 7:55 AM Subject: Re: critical issues Graham Percival writes: On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 01:03:08AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival writes: > We could certainly consider droppin

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 01:03:08AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: >> Graham Percival writes: >> >> > We could certainly consider dropping support for OSX or windows. >> >> That sort of token solidarity is actually counterproductive: >> if you believe that non-releases le

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 06:24:19AM +0100, Janek Warchoł wrote: > By the way, do we have a policy about regressions? Yes, they're bad? :) > I remember that > reverting bad commits was discussed in the past, and i'm quite for > this solution. > I don't see information about which commits caused ou

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread Janek Warchoł
(sorry for double-post) 2012/1/2 Graham Percival : > On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 10:23:28PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: >> Graham Percival writes: >> > If you are aware of any other issues which fall under the >> > definition (i.e. a reproducible failure to build lilypond from >> > scratch, >> >> On

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/1/3 David Kastrup : > I am afraid that we are painting ourselves into a corner.  And I don't > think that we are doing ourselves a favor by defining "stable" as "a > random moment when somebody managed to get GUB to run for Windows and > OSX".  We should define "stable" based on the stability

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 01:03:08AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > Graham Percival writes: > > > We could certainly consider dropping support for OSX or windows. > > That sort of token solidarity is actually counterproductive: > if you believe that non-releases lead to non-users, yes > and you t

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 10:23:28PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: >> Graham Percival writes: >> >> > This was the result of between 25 to 40 emails in August 2011 on >> > lilypond-devel. A quick scan didn't reveal your name amongst >> > those emails, but we simply cannot

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/1/2 Graham Percival : > On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 10:23:28PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: >> Graham Percival writes: >> >> > This was the result of between 25 to 40 emails in August 2011 on >> > lilypond-devel.  A quick scan didn't reveal your name amongst >> > those emails, but we simply cannot

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 10:23:28PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > Graham Percival writes: > > > This was the result of between 25 to 40 emails in August 2011 on > > lilypond-devel. A quick scan didn't reveal your name amongst > > those emails, but we simply cannot afford to revisit every policy >

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 09:59:47PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: >> >> I see the following critical issues: > -snip- >> >> There is, actually, a wagonload of other changes underfoot that does not >> appear quite compatible with releasing a version called "stable" to me.

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 09:59:47PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > > I see the following critical issues: -snip- > > There is, actually, a wagonload of other changes underfoot that does not > appear quite compatible with releasing a version called "stable" to me. > It seems strange to me that the _

Re: critical issues

2011-01-23 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 10:29:11AM -0500, Boris Shingarov wrote: > The Lilypond project has a very specific set of objectives. There > is a defined set of procedures, a roadmap, a set of criteria of > what is acceptable to go into the codebase, etc. This is true of any (well-organized) project.

Re: critical issues

2011-01-23 Thread Boris Shingarov
On 11-01-01 03:24 AM, Graham Percival wrote: or an art history / research grant. I think the latter is more likely... for example, if somebody got a grant to typeset 17th century Norweigan folk songs, and decided to use lilypond, and spent x% of the grant towards "improving community-oriented to

Re: critical issues

2011-01-04 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 01:14:19PM -, Phil Holmes wrote: > version, but this looks fine." My intention was that, even if it > was a minor bug, then someone had put work in recently to fix it. > If someone else has just unpicked that, then this a Bad Thing and > should be corrected. I don't wa

Re: critical issues

2011-01-03 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "Graham Percival" To: "Phil Holmes" Cc: Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 3:15 AM Subject: Re: critical issues On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 04:37:35PM -, Phil Holmes wrote: " Priority-Critical: LilyPond segfaults, a regression (see

Re: critical issues

2011-01-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 03:15:22AM +, Graham Percival wrote: > On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 04:37:35PM -, Phil Holmes wrote: > > " > > Priority-Critical: LilyPond segfaults, a regression (see below) > > against a previous stable version or a regression against a fix > > developed for this versio

Re: critical issues

2011-01-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 04:37:35PM -, Phil Holmes wrote: > " > Priority-Critical: LilyPond segfaults, a regression (see below) > against a previous stable version or a regression against a fix > developed for this version. This does not apply where the > "regression" occurred because a feature

Re: critical issues

2011-01-02 Thread Phil Holmes
[snip long-ish discussion] OK, I think we reached a conclusion on this and so would like to make a patch. I propose: " Priority-Critical: LilyPond segfaults, a regression (see below) against a previous stable version or a regression against a fix developed for this version. This does not ap

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 01:06:04PM +0100, Karl Hammar wrote: > Graham: > > Of course, writing artistic and research grants is a non-trivial > > amount of work, and it's hardly guaranteed to have any results. > > But I think that with the right angle -- be that "collaborative > > folk music archival

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread Karl Hammar
Graham: > On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 09:10:49AM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: ... > > But maybe there is a group of LilyPond philanthropists who can afford > > this and are willing to do so... > I'm not optimistic about that; I think a more realistic > opportunity would be to get some grant money from

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > In my idle moments, I like to discourage myself by trying to > figure out how long it would take to achieve something > "reasonable" for users. Let's play this game now, and start > making some unrealistic-but-just-possible assumptions: > 1. "reasonable" means 100 bugs.

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread David Kastrup
"Keith OHara" writes: > On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:31:23 -0800, Trevor Daniels > wrote: >> ... the concern I had was this. Quite a lot of the >> documentation was written, not by inspecting the code >> to see what was intended, but by experimenting and >> writing up what was found. I certainly wor

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 09:39:37AM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > > I'm not optimistic about that; I think a more realistic opportunity > > would be to get some grant money from some artistic organization. > > Mhmm. `Programming' in its broadest sense is research, thus getting > grants limits

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread Jan Warchoł
2011/1/1 Werner LEMBERG : > What we would need is a payed full-time developer.  However, this is > expensive.  Assuming that the programmer has a family with children, > an appartment, etc., and to provide a reasonably good living for him > or her, this would be about 3000 Euros a month here in Aus

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Saturday, January 01, 2011 7:16 AM Nope, for precisely the reason you gave earlier: our documentation generally has zero input from programmers, so it's not at all a good representation of "what's intended". We have a set of "intended to be working" examples. They're ca

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> I'm not optimistic about that; I think a more realistic opportunity > would be to get some grant money from some artistic organization. Mhmm. `Programming' in its broadest sense is research, thus getting grants limits the number of persons enormously. However, the number of music researchers

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 09:10:49AM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > What we would need is a payed full-time developer. That could help. Or at least having a sponsorship page up, which brings us back to the GOP policy list and the current decision not to begin discussing those until we've gotten 2.1

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> What we would need is a payed full-time developer. I have forgotten to say that such a developer needs certain skills in addition to C++ and Scheme, namely being a musician... Werner ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http:/

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> Look, we simply *cannot* offer users anything that would be > "reasonable" by most standards. We have "highly embarrassing" bugs > from 2006 that we're not even *pretending* to be working on. We've > been in "release crunch" mode for at least six months. The only > glimmer of hope on the horiz

Re: critical issues

2010-12-31 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 12:31:23AM -, Trevor Daniels wrote: > > Graham Percival wrote Friday, December 31, 2010 11:20 PM > > >However, lilypond never intentionally tried to > >avoid those objects colliding -- in fact, intentionally avoiding > >this collision would require a fair chunk of extr

Re: critical issues

2010-12-31 Thread Keith OHara
On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:31:23 -0800, Trevor Daniels wrote: ... the concern I had was this. Quite a lot of the documentation was written, not by inspecting the code to see what was intended, but by experimenting and writing up what was found. I certainly worked that way, and I think Mark and Ke

Re: critical issues

2010-12-31 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Friday, December 31, 2010 11:20 PM On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 08:43:36PM +, Keith OHara wrote: Trevor Daniels treda.co.uk> writes: > Graham Percival wrote Thursday, December 30, 2010 3:56 AM > > > > I want to keep the word "intentionally", though -- if > > something >

Re: critical issues

2010-12-31 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 08:43:36PM +, Keith OHara wrote: > Trevor Daniels treda.co.uk> writes: > > Graham Percival wrote Thursday, December 30, 2010 3:56 AM > > > > > > I want to keep the word "intentionally", though -- if something > > > only happened to work because of a happy coincidence of

Re: critical issues

2010-12-30 Thread Keith OHara
Trevor Daniels treda.co.uk> writes: > Graham Percival wrote Thursday, December 30, 2010 3:56 AM > > > > I want to keep the word "intentionally", though -- if something > > only happened to work because of a happy coincidence of bugs, then > > "breaking" that should not be a Critical bug. > > I'm

Re: critical issues

2010-12-30 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Thursday, December 30, 2010 3:56 AM On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 12:32:56PM -, Phil Holmes wrote: From: "Carl Sorensen" >On 12/28/10 4:18 PM, "Graham Percival" > wrote: > >The difference between Phil's version and the previous version >is > >"Something that worked as i

Re: critical issues

2010-12-29 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 12:32:56PM -, Phil Holmes wrote: > From: "Carl Sorensen" > >On 12/28/10 4:18 PM, "Graham Percival" wrote: > > > >The difference between Phil's version and the previous version is > > > >"Something that worked as it should in a previous version, and now doesn't > >work.

Re: critical issues

2010-12-29 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Mittwoch, 29. Dezember 2010, um 04:57:47 schrieb Carl Sorensen: > On 12/28/10 4:18 PM, "Graham Percival" wrote: > > In the case of #3, if it's not actually a problem, then when a > > programmer takes a look at the issue, they can quickly mark it as > > an "invalid" report. I agree that it woul

Re: critical issues

2010-12-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 12/28/10 4:18 PM, "Graham Percival" wrote: > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 01:24:32PM -, Phil Holmes wrote: >> - Original Message - From: "Graham Percival" >> >> I think one of these was mine. This is the thing I want to discuss >> before creating a patch. I think the real problem

Re: critical issues

2010-12-28 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 01:24:32PM -, Phil Holmes wrote: > - Original Message - From: "Graham Percival" > >Ironically, although the current printed policy seems to be too > >inclusive for Critical issues, my main concern is that bug squad > >members are classifying stuff as High instead

Re: Issue 881 Arpeggios may collide with laissezVibrer ties (was Re: Critical issues)

2010-05-17 Thread Karl Hammar
And here comes the test-baseline file. Regards, /Karl Hammar <>___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: Issue 881 Arpeggios may collide with laissezVibrer ties (was Re: Critical issues)

2010-05-17 Thread Karl Hammar
- This is a multipart MIME message. Karl Hammar: > Carl Sorensen: > ... > > I've posted a patch on Rietveld. Can you do the > > regression test? > > http://codereview.appspot.com/1195044 > > After a make test-redo I get: > > . the "mandatory" output-distance. > . a diff of tree.gittext, showing

Re: Issue 881 Arpeggios may collide with laissezVibrer ties (was Re: Critical issues)

2010-05-15 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 5/15/10 1:12 AM, "Karl Hammar" wrote: > Carl Sorensen: > ... >> I've posted a patch on Rietveld. Can you do the >> regression test? >> http://codereview.appspot.com/1195044 > > After a make test-redo I get: > > . the "mandatory" output-distance. > . a diff of tree.gittext, showing Carls

Re: Issue 881 Arpeggios may collide with laissezVibrer ties (was Re: Critical issues)

2010-05-15 Thread Karl Hammar
Carl Sorensen: ... > I've posted a patch on Rietveld. Can you do the > regression test? > http://codereview.appspot.com/1195044 After a make test-redo I get: . the "mandatory" output-distance. . a diff of tree.gittext, showing Carls patch . 314 below threshold . 2062 unchanged >From this I assu

Re: Issue 881 Arpeggios may collide with laissezVibrer ties (was Re: Critical issues)

2010-05-14 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 5/14/10 8:18 AM, "Karl Hammar" wrote: > Carl Sorensen: >> On 5/14/10 7:01 AM, "Karl Hammar" wrote: >>> Carl Sorensen: > ... >> You also need to redefine the 'stencil for laissez-vibrez tie in >> scm/define-grobs.scm. > ... > > I can help with doning the regression test. Second-guessing wh

Issue 881 Arpeggios may collide with laissezVibrer ties (was Re: Critical issues)

2010-05-14 Thread Karl Hammar
Carl Sorensen: > On 5/14/10 7:01 AM, "Karl Hammar" wrote: > > Carl Sorensen: ... > You also need to redefine the 'stencil for laissez-vibrez tie in > scm/define-grobs.scm. ... I can help with doning the regression test. Second-guessing what Niels patch was about was not included in that offer.

Re: Critical issues

2010-05-14 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 5/14/10 7:01 AM, "Karl Hammar" wrote: > Carl Sorensen: >> On 5/13/10 1:11 PM, "Karl Hammar" wrote: > ... >> make test-baseline > ... >> make check > ... > > Ok, done that. > > With the guidance from http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=881: > > I can't explain why, but m

Re: Critical issues

2010-05-14 Thread Karl Hammar
Carl Sorensen: > On 5/13/10 1:11 PM, "Karl Hammar" wrote: ... > make test-baseline ... > make check ... Ok, done that. With the guidance from http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=881: I can't explain why, but making the print function pure by redefining ly:tie::print just for

Re: Critical issues

2010-05-13 Thread Marc Hohl
Joe Neeman schrieb: On Wed, 2010-05-12 at 22:14 +0200, Karl Hammar wrote: Issue 1080: Regression: bar lines in double bar are positioned too close together "pnorcks" mentions commit 27a4d9354effb09c696925881ec4df007da8a0db as a possible cause. Reverting part of that commit: gives me the atta

Re: Critical issues

2010-05-13 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 5/13/10 2:31 PM, "Karl Hammar" wrote: > Carl Sorensen: >> On 5/13/10 2:08 PM, "Karl Hammar" wrote: > ... >>> In http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1080 there is a >>> grace-start-good.png . > ... >> IIUC, Neil's patch was already demonstrated to meet issue 1. But issue 2 >

Re: Critical issues

2010-05-13 Thread Karl Hammar
Carl Sorensen: > On 5/13/10 2:08 PM, "Karl Hammar" wrote: ... > > In http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1080 there is a > > grace-start-good.png . ... > IIUC, Neil's patch was already demonstrated to meet issue 1. But issue 2 > was not yet checked. Are you mixing this up with

Re: Critical issues

2010-05-13 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 5/13/10 2:08 PM, "Karl Hammar" wrote: > Carl Sorensen: >> On 5/13/10 1:11 PM, "Karl Hammar" wrote: > ... >>> But if I already have a known good result from the code tracker, >>> how do I compare it with the new result? >> >> What do you mean by "if I already have a known good result from the

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