Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-12 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> BTW, I completely agree this thread was not handled well, not only > by me, but by everyone from its inception to the present entry which > I hope is its termination. Quite an ugly business! Very bad form > shown by all! I do offer my apologies for my part, and yes - by all > means I hope ever

Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-12 Thread Aaron Andrew Hunt
BTW, I completely agree this thread was not handled well, not only by me, but by everyone from its inception to the present entry which I hope is its termination. Quite an ugly business! Very bad form shown by all! I do offer my apologies for my part, and yes - by all means I hope everyone

Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-12 Thread Aaron Andrew Hunt
Hi Johannes. On May 12, 2009, at 3:36 PM, Johannes Schindelin wrote: Hi Aaron, by sending a private exchange you proved something. You still have not earned respect with this person. Look, I understand a dev list is for developers. These posts of mine have been commentary. If what I

Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-12 Thread Johannes Schindelin
Hi Aaron, by sending a private exchange you proved something. You still have not earned respect with this person. I would have appreciated a lot of things, such as actually addressing the original poster's (maybe poorly formulated) concern. I would have appreciated something which benefits me

Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-12 Thread Aaron Andrew Hunt
From: Johannes Schindelin Aaron, it would be good to earn some respect here, presumably by contributing something others benefit from, before you give up the respect already. David might not be the most polite person on earth, but he did at least something useful before he went on to bash

Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-12 Thread Johannes Schindelin
Hi, On Tue, 12 May 2009, Aaron Andrew Hunt wrote: > >People like you seem to confuse the concept of "polite" with "servant". > > Ah yes, people like me. People who confuse concepts. People who are not > as brilliant as yourself. Aaron, it would be good to earn some respect here, presumably by

Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-12 Thread Aaron Andrew Hunt
Hello Mr. Kastrup. People like you seem to confuse the concept of "polite" with "servant". Ah yes, people like me. People who confuse concepts. People who are not as brilliant as yourself. You are illustrating my point exactly, Mr. Kastrup. You presume to know who I am, what I do, and w

Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 05:15:33PM +0200, Mats Bengtsson wrote: > For example, Graham has worked day and night during more > than a year to bring the documentation into it's current shape and I > understand that he can feel personally insulted if someone dares > criticize his own "baby". It

Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-12 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Anyway, it's not a matter a being programmer/hacker or not, it's rather a matter of being extremely enthusiastic about your own pet project and of working extremely hard on something without getting paid (in money or in gratitude). For example, Graham has worked day and night during more than a

Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-12 Thread David Kastrup
Aaron Andrew Hunt writes: > On May 11, 2009, at 2:24 PM, lilypond-devel-requ...@gnu.org wrote: >> Dewdman, >> It might help to read this: >> http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Essays/smart-questions.html > > Very interesting link! It might as well be called "In Defense of Being > a Complete A-Hole" > > No

Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-12 Thread David Kastrup
Dewdman42 writes: > Quite unfortunate though, lilypond is an extremely cool technology > that MANY MANY people are missing out on because of things like this > and particularly because of the attitude of the core developers, who > are the only ones that really know how the hell it works. I'm a >

Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-11 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> But, the key players dismissed it, did nothing and yes...2 years > later I am a bit frustrated. My post yesterday asking why after 2 > years nothing had been done, was not really too out of line if you > think about it. One of the key players, Rune, has passed away. We can answer your request

Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-11 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message , Aaron Andrew Hunt writes On May 11, 2009, at 2:24 PM, lilypond-devel-requ...@gnu.org wrote: Dewdman, It might help to read this: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Essays/smart-questions.html Very interesting link! It might as well be called "In Defense of Being a Complete A-Hole" It

Re: Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-11 Thread Johannes Schindelin
Hi, On Mon, 11 May 2009, Aaron Andrew Hunt wrote: > On May 11, 2009, at 2:24 PM, lilypond-devel-requ...@gnu.org wrote: > >Dewdman, > >It might help to read this: > >http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Essays/smart-questions.html > > Very interesting link! It might as well be called "In Defense of Being a

Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-11 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Aaron Andrew Hunt wrote: On May 11, 2009, at 2:24 PM, lilypond-devel-requ...@gnu.org wrote: Dewdman, It might help to read this: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Essays/smart-questions.html Very interesting link! It might as well be called "In Defense of Being a Complete A-Hole" No, programmers /

Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-11 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message <23486715.p...@talk.nabble.com>, Dewdman42 writes If I knew how I would. isn't it obvious that a few people hold the power to control the development of lilypond while the rest of us are mere mortals? It's Free Software. "He who puts in the effort makes the rules". I had a project

Re: Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-11 Thread Aaron Andrew Hunt
On May 11, 2009, at 2:24 PM, lilypond-devel-requ...@gnu.org wrote: Dewdman, It might help to read this: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Essays/smart-questions.html Very interesting link! It might as well be called "In Defense of Being a Complete A-Hole" No, programmers / hackers are smart folks a

Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-11 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Graham Percival wrote: On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 10:22:02AM -0700, Dewdman42 wrote: But, the key players dismissed it, did nothing and yes...2 years later I am a bit frustrated. My post yesterday asking why after 2 years nothing had been done, was not really too out of line if you think about it.

Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 10:22:02AM -0700, Dewdman42 wrote: > > But, the key players dismissed it, did nothing and yes...2 years later I am > a bit frustrated. My post yesterday asking why after 2 years nothing had > been done, was not really too out of line if you think about it. That's garbag

Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-11 Thread Dewdman42
Here is the original thread from the user list, where I did ask politely and provided many screen shots and as much info as possible. http://www.nabble.com/PDF-Problem-td11699420.html#a11699420 Grahmn acted like his usual elitist self, but I temporarily ignored him and continued pleading.

Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-11 Thread James E. Bailey
Am 11.05.2009 um 18:46 schrieb Dewdman42: I will just check back in a few years then to see if Lilypond becomes useable for the rest of us and you scheme heads can play around in your little pond by yourselves. And I'm sure the lilypond community will be diminished by not having your pres

Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-11 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Dewdman42 wrote: > didn't.  The only response is "fix it yourself"? > > That's not a realistic response, THAT is a BS response from someone who does > not give a damn about the lilypond user community. It's the response to someone who does not give a damn about t

Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-11 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Dewdman, the bigger problem is your initial email, which is itself hostile and insulting: Dewdman42 wrote: On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 5:50 AM, Dewdman42 wrote: 2 years and still nobody has bothered to fix lilypond so that it can create PDF's that actually look good in acroread? (sigh) You ou

Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-11 Thread Dewdman42
Wow, I see that after 2 years you still haven't stopped acting like a jerk yet either Grahm. Bravo mate. I will just check back in a few years then to see if Lilypond becomes useable for the rest of us and you scheme heads can play around in your little pond by yourselves. Quite unfortunate t

Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 09:27:48AM -0700, Dewdman42 wrote: > > If I knew how I would. isn't it obvious that a few people hold the power to > control the development of lilypond while the rest of us are mere mortals? BS. You're human, we're human. If we can do it (after months or years of learn

Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-11 Thread Dewdman42
If I knew how I would. isn't it obvious that a few people hold the power to control the development of lilypond while the rest of us are mere mortals? Han-Wen Nienhuys-5 wrote: > > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 5:50 AM, Dewdman42 wrote: >> >> 2 years and still nobody has bothered to fix lilypond so

Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-11 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 5:50 AM, Dewdman42 wrote: > > 2 years and still nobody has bothered to fix lilypond so that it can create > PDF's that actually look good in acroread? > > (sigh) > Yes, it is sad. You would almost think that noone gets paid to fix user complaints. Oh, wait. -- Han-We

Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 01:50:02AM -0700, Dewdman42 wrote: > > 2 years and still nobody has bothered to fix lilypond so that it can create > PDF's that actually look good in acroread? > > (sigh) I agree. Why haven't you bothered to submit patches to fix this? - Graham ___

Re: PDF Problem

2009-05-11 Thread Dewdman42
2 years and still nobody has bothered to fix lilypond so that it can create PDF's that actually look good in acroread? (sigh) I thought Rune was on to some good stuff there in 2007 and it appears nobody would listen. Thanks Rune for your efforts in 2007, but I'm sorry to hear that it was droppe

Re: PDF Problem

2007-07-20 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
2007/7/20, Rune Zedeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: You are right - the problem is not really related to this. I still think that we should change to 1/72 inch instead if 1/72.27 inch because this way all staff lines will have same distance on paper and on screen, whereas with 1/72.27 it may seldomly ha

Re: PDF Problem

2007-07-20 Thread Rune Zedeler
Han-Wen Nienhuys skrev: Sounds like bullock's manure to me. You are right - the problem is not really related to this. I still think that we should change to 1/72 inch instead if 1/72.27 inch because this way all staff lines will have same distance on paper and on screen, whereas with 1/72.2

Re: PDF Problem

2007-07-19 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
2007/7/19, Rune Zedeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I understand why the viewers have problems with lilypond's pdfs: For some reason lilypond does loads of conversions to and from millimeters. I think it has something to do with lily defining one point to be 1/72.27 inch, whereas a postscript (and pdf)

Re: PDF Problem

2007-07-19 Thread Steve Schow
That looks loads better to me. One question, when you say screen optimize option, will the print output of such a PDF be compromised in any way? I don't know anything about lily internals, but something tells me the soft rectangle have a lot to do with why ly output looks so nice on paper. ??

Re: PDF Problem

2007-07-19 Thread Rune Zedeler
Rune Zedeler skrev: I understand why the viewers have problems with lilypond's pdfs: For some reason lilypond does loads of conversions to and from millimeters. Oh, I never learn not to post comments late at night. The above really had nothing (afaics) to do with the problem. It should be fai

Re: PDF Problem

2007-07-19 Thread Rune Zedeler
Okay, I took a look. I understand why the viewers have problems with lilypond's pdfs: For some reason lilypond does loads of conversions to and from millimeters. I think it has something to do with lily defining one point to be 1/72.27 inch, whereas a postscript (and pdf) point is 1/72 inch. The