Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-20 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hello, Status update: I have extended my trip to California (I'm visiting my employer's client) until June 6th, and I'm very busy with my day job. I should be able to resume work on LilyDev by June 13th - I hope that delay is not a problem. Anyway, I think that the proof of concept that I've sen

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-12 Thread Janek Warchoł
PS don't install Vagrant with apt-get, the version in official repositories is *ancient* and probably won't work - install using files from the website. 2015-05-12 21:38 GMT-07:00 Janek Warchoł : > Hello, > > I have an alpha version of LilyDev built with Vagrant and Ansible ready > for demonstrat

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-12 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hello, I have an alpha version of LilyDev built with Vagrant and Ansible ready for demonstration. To try it, you need VirtualBox (https://www.virtualbox.org/) and Vagrant ( https://www.vagrantup.com/) installed, and the LilyDev Vagrant box (which you can download here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/x

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-10 Thread Federico Bruni
2015-05-04 20:41 GMT+02:00 Carl Sorensen : > On 5/4/15 11:19 AM, "Federico Bruni" wrote: > >So I'd rather put a script to download the repository when the user logs > >in > >for the first time. > >What do you think? > > Isn't that the way it works right now? If not, it certainly should. > > Ther

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-10 Thread Federico Bruni
2015-05-05 3:10 GMT+02:00 Paul Morris : > Automatic formatting/indenting of C++ files currently doesn't work "out of >> the box” and there’s no easy way to manually get it to work. Artistic >> Style 2.02 is required for LilyPond’s fixcc.py but LilyDev3 has 2.01, which >> is the version provided b

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-07 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 5/7/15 3:49 PM, "Wols Lists" wrote: > >Basically, what I'm saying is "don't assume everyone is using Debian >and/or lilydev when you revamp the CG", because that's where that quote >makes it look you're heading. Thanks for the reminder. I hope we won't head that way. I agree that we shouldn't

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-07 Thread Wols Lists
On 04/05/15 23:35, Carl Sorensen wrote: > On 5/4/15 4:25 PM, "Dan Eble" wrote: > >>> But anyways, the main point of this email is to point out that pushing >>> debian could cost you developers - I don't know how many people like me >>> there are out there, but if I have to use a debian-based syst

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-07 Thread Federico Bruni
2015-05-06 22:47 GMT+02:00 Janek Warchoł : > > I'll wait for your prototype, even if it looks like a work duplication > > already. > > Why not improving what's already available? Which advantages have the > tools > > you are using? > > I _am_ going to improve what's already available; i'll just us

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-06 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi, 2015-05-05 22:34 GMT-07:00 Federico Bruni : > 2015-05-06 7:19 GMT+02:00 Janek Warchoł : >> >> as I've already mentioned, I've already started working on a new >> LilyDev. I'm going to use tools that should make it easy to build >> different versions of LilyDev (e.g. 32-bit and 64-bit, possibl

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-06 Thread Federico Bruni
2015-05-06 11:55 GMT+02:00 Urs Liska : > As a side note: What would be the amount of work to provide a lily-dev > metapackage that could be used by people who are already using a Linux > distribution? As a Linux user I would prefer modifying my own system over > using a precompiled LilyDev distro

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-06 Thread James
On 06/05/15 10:55, Urs Liska wrote: Am 06.05.2015 um 07:34 schrieb Federico Bruni: 2015-05-06 7:19 GMT+02:00 Janek Warchoł : as I've already mentioned, I've already started working on a new LilyDev. I'm going to use tools that should make it easy to build different versions of LilyDev (e.

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-06 Thread Urs Liska
Am 06.05.2015 um 07:34 schrieb Federico Bruni: 2015-05-06 7:19 GMT+02:00 Janek Warchoł : as I've already mentioned, I've already started working on a new LilyDev. I'm going to use tools that should make it easy to build different versions of LilyDev (e.g. 32-bit and 64-bit, possibly also bas

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-06 Thread David Kastrup
Federico Bruni writes: > 2015-05-04 20:29 GMT+02:00 Phil Holmes : > >> Years ago I started by (accidentally) using it as a live OS. It's a >> useless way of trying to use it. I wouldn't bother to try to support it. > > > I totally agree. In my experience a live OS makes sense only when you must

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-05 Thread Federico Bruni
2015-05-04 20:29 GMT+02:00 Phil Holmes : > Years ago I started by (accidentally) using it as a live OS. It's a > useless way of trying to use it. I wouldn't bother to try to support it. I totally agree. In my experience a live OS makes sense only when you must fix something in the real install

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-05 Thread Federico Bruni
2015-05-06 7:19 GMT+02:00 Janek Warchoł : > as I've already mentioned, I've already started working on a new > LilyDev. I'm going to use tools that should make it easy to build > different versions of LilyDev (e.g. 32-bit and 64-bit, possibly also > based on different distros). > > I though that

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-05 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi all, as I've already mentioned, I've already started working on a new LilyDev. I'm going to use tools that should make it easy to build different versions of LilyDev (e.g. 32-bit and 64-bit, possibly also based on different distros). In order to reduce work duplication, I suggest to wait with

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-04 Thread Paul Morris
> On May 4, 2015, at 9:10 PM, Paul Morris wrote: > > They both have highlighting for c++, .css, and .py files, > gedit also has it for .scm, .itexi, .itely, and .make files, > but geany doesn’t have it for these. > (And neither has it for .ly files.) This was from the default LilyDev2 with gea

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-04 Thread Paul Morris
Hi Federico, > On May 4, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Federico Bruni wrote: > > Hi Paul, thanks for the suggestions. > > As Debian Jessie was released few days ago, I was thinking about a new > LilyDev. Hey, that’s great timing! > I think I'll first upgrade to a more recent version of live-build and t

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-04 Thread Paul Morris
> On May 3, 2015, at 11:02 PM, Carl Sorensen wrote: > > I think that it would be great to have you prepare patches for the CG. > The CG is the least-reviewed manual in our set, so it's probably the > easiest manual for which to get patches approved. Will do, once this discussion winds down, and

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-04 Thread Paul Morris
> On May 3, 2015, at 6:15 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > >> CG 3.3.4 Making Patches >> "git format-patch origin" doesn't work if you type it in literally, >> but gives "ambiguous argument 'origin' " message. > > Shouldn't happen unless you managed to create either a local branch > named "origin" or

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-04 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 5/4/15 4:25 PM, "Dan Eble" wrote: >> But anyways, the main point of this email is to point out that pushing >> debian could cost you developers - I don't know how many people like me >> there are out there, but if I have to use a debian-based system my >> reaction is likely to be "thanks but n

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-04 Thread Dan Eble
> But anyways, the main point of this email is to point out that pushing > debian could cost you developers - I don't know how many people like me > there are out there, but if I have to use a debian-based system my > reaction is likely to be "thanks but no thanks". (That said, I think a The data

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-04 Thread David Kastrup
Wols Lists writes: > On 04/05/15 04:02, Carl Sorensen wrote: >>> 2. Compiling with LilyDev (2.3) and Compiling (4.x) >> 2.3 is about getting it set up with LilyDev. 4.x is about general work >> whether with or without LilyDev. We are much stronger about recommending >> the use of LilyDev than w

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-04 Thread James Lowe
On 04/05/15 22:39, Wols Lists wrote: > On 04/05/15 04:02, Carl Sorensen wrote: >>> 2. Compiling with LilyDev (2.3) and Compiling (4.x) >> 2.3 is about getting it set up with LilyDev. 4.x is about general work >> whether with or without LilyDev. We are much stronger about recommending >> the use o

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-04 Thread Wols Lists
On 04/05/15 04:02, Carl Sorensen wrote: >> 2. Compiling with LilyDev (2.3) and Compiling (4.x) > 2.3 is about getting it set up with LilyDev. 4.x is about general work > whether with or without LilyDev. We are much stronger about recommending > the use of LilyDev than we were when the CG was orig

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-04 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 5/4/15 11:19 AM, "Federico Bruni" wrote: >So I'd rather put a script to download the repository when the user logs >in >for the first time. >What do you think? Isn't that the way it works right now? If not, it certainly should. There should be a script that configures git properly (i.e. with

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-04 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "Federico Bruni" To: "Paul Morris" Cc: "LilyPond Development Team" Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:19 PM Subject: Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev 2015-05-04 18:32 GMT+02:00 Federico Bruni : As Debian Jessie wa

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-04 Thread Federico Bruni
2015-05-04 18:32 GMT+02:00 Federico Bruni : > As Debian Jessie was released few days ago, I was thinking about a new > LilyDev. > I think I'll first upgrade to a more recent version of live-build and then > add the modifications you are suggesting. > I have a question: does anybody use LilyDev as

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-04 Thread Federico Bruni
Hi Paul, thanks for the suggestions. As Debian Jessie was released few days ago, I was thinking about a new LilyDev. I think I'll first upgrade to a more recent version of live-build and then add the modifications you are suggesting. 2015-05-04 0:09 GMT+02:00 Paul Morris : > A. Suggestions for L

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-03 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, May 04, 2015 at 03:02:32AM +, Carl Sorensen wrote: > >A. Suggestions for LilyDev3: > > All of these suggestions would actually probably be for LilyDev4. I'm not > sure that we will make another release of LilyDev3. But if we did, I'm > still happy to host it. If somebody is availabl

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-03 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 5/3/15 4:09 PM, "Paul Morris" wrote: I think that it would be great to have you prepare patches for the CG. The CG is the least-reviewed manual in our set, so it's probably the easiest manual for which to get patches approved. > >A. Suggestions for LilyDev3: All of these suggestions woul

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-03 Thread Urs Liska
Am 04.05.2015 um 00:15 schrieb David Kastrup: CG 3.3.4 git-cl configuration >add how to set the EDITOR variable for git cl, namely: >export EDITOR=/usr/bin/nano Nano does not offer point-and-click in connection with LilyPond I think. I don't think so either. But I don't see why that should

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-03 Thread David Kastrup
Two notes: Paul Morris writes: > CG 3.3.4 Making Patches > "git format-patch origin" doesn't work if you type it in literally, > but gives "ambiguous argument 'origin' " message. Shouldn't happen unless you managed to create either a local branch named "origin" or a file with that name in the

Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-03 Thread Paul Morris
Hello dev list, Below are some notes I made as I worked with the contributor’s guide and LilyDev in recent months. This started with minor things and grew from there. They represent my view as a novice who is basically learning git and the command line as I go. I found the learning curve pre