Re: [License-discuss] Generic process for removing approved licenses. Re: REMOVE AAL from list of approved licenses

2020-03-31 Thread Henrik Ingo
I would add that deprecation often implies that you should stop using a feature/api now, because it will be removed in some future version, maybe years from now. For this discussion I have used deprecate as synonymous to such notification. It's possible someone else could use it synonymously to th

Re: [License-discuss] Generic process for removing approved licenses. Re: REMOVE AAL from list of approved licenses

2020-03-31 Thread McCoy Smith
"Deprecation" is used here in the computer sciencey sense: https://www.techopedia.com/definition/28957/deprecation "Deprecation is the process of marking attributes or features that should be avoided by users, including Web developers. Deprecation may be applied for various reasons, including one

Re: [License-discuss] Generic process for removing approved licenses. Re: REMOVE AAL from list of approved licenses

2020-03-31 Thread McCoy Smith
> -Original Message- > From: License-discuss On > Behalf Of Richard Fontana > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 8:06 PM > To: license-discuss@lists.opensource.org > Subject: Re: [License-discuss] Generic process for removing approved > licenses. Re: REMOVE AAL from list of approved licenses >

Re: [License-discuss] Generic process for removing approved licenses. Re: REMOVE AAL from list of approved licenses

2020-03-31 Thread Richard Fontana
On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 9:43 PM Pamela Chestek wrote: > > I understand the concept of decertifying or removing, but I am very > confused by the use of the term "deprecate." The current category of > licenses are: > > Popular and widely-used or with strong communities > International > Special purp

Re: [License-discuss] Generic process for removing approved licenses. Re: REMOVE AAL from list of approved licenses

2020-03-31 Thread Pamela Chestek
I understand the concept of decertifying or removing, but I am very confused by the use of the term "deprecate." The current category of licenses are: Popular and widely-used or with strong communities International Special purpose Other/Miscellaneous Redundant Non-reusable Superseded Voluntari

Re: [License-discuss] Thoughts on AAL and OSS vs FOSS

2020-03-31 Thread Pamela Chestek
On 3/31/20 9:13 AM, Richard Fontana wrote: On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 9:08 AM Syed Arsalan Hussain Shah wrote: The alternative license besides AAL could be the CAL1.0 that has been approved recently. You must retain all licensing, authorship, or attribution notices contained in the Source Code

Re: [License-discuss] Thoughts on AAL and OSS vs FOSS

2020-03-31 Thread Josh Berkus
On 3/31/20 1:13 PM, McCoy Smith wrote: > FWIW, if you take out the badgeware part of AAL, you're left with nothing > much that's different from, say, BSD (upon which AAL is based). There is > paragraph 4, but I'm not sure that's adds anything to straight 3-clause BSD. > So I'm not sure what would b

Re: [License-discuss] Thoughts on AAL and OSS vs FOSS

2020-03-31 Thread McCoy Smith
> -Original Message- > From: License-discuss On > Behalf Of Josh Berkus > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 11:09 AM > To: henrik.i...@avoinelama.fi > Cc: license-discuss@lists.opensource.org > Subject: Re: [License-discuss] Thoughts on AAL and OSS vs FOSS > > Why? I don't see how an origi

Re: [License-discuss] Thoughts on AAL and OSS vs FOSS

2020-03-31 Thread Josh Berkus
On 3/31/20 8:38 AM, Henrik Ingo wrote: > It would be bad form to use the same name though. But as a fallback > option I could of course submit for review a new license that was based > on AAL but with a new name. > Why? I don't see how an original license author has any moral right to the name.

Re: [License-discuss] CPAL 1.0 License | Badge-ware | Clarification

2020-03-31 Thread McCoy Smith
> -Original Message- > From: Richard Fontana > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 9:32 AM > To: mc...@lexpan.law; license-discuss@lists.opensource.org > Cc: henrik.i...@avoinelama.fi > Subject: Re: [License-discuss] CPAL 1.0 License | Badge-ware | Clarification > > I wouldn't consider 4-clause

Re: [License-discuss] CPAL 1.0 License | Badge-ware | Clarification

2020-03-31 Thread Richard Fontana
On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 11:44 AM McCoy Smith wrote: > > FSF’s definition of what is a free software license includes badgeware > licenses (because such licenses still meet the 4 software freedoms), but they > also do not recommend use of badgeware licenses. See the comment on the > 4-clause BS

Re: [License-discuss] CPAL 1.0 License | Badge-ware | Clarification

2020-03-31 Thread McCoy Smith
FSF’s definition of what is a free software license includes badgeware licenses (because such licenses still meet the 4 software freedoms), but they also do not recommend use of badgeware licenses. See the comment on the 4-clause BSD: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#OriginalBSD

Re: [License-discuss] Thoughts on AAL and OSS vs FOSS

2020-03-31 Thread Henrik Ingo
It would be bad form to use the same name though. But as a fallback option I could of course submit for review a new license that was based on AAL but with a new name. My Permissive Attribution License (MyPAL) henrik On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 7:39 PM Josh Berkus wrote: > On 3/30/20 5:17 AM, Henr

Re: [License-discuss] CPAL 1.0 License | Badge-ware | Clarification

2020-03-31 Thread Henrik Ingo
Hi Syed On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 4:41 PM Syed Arsalan Hussain Shah < arsa...@buddyexpress.net> wrote: > [1][2] Does the CPAL 1.0 considered badgeware license? > > Yes, it is the other license that has a similar attribution clause as AAL. Although it was approved by OSI in the past, there have been

Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] A new USG License

2020-03-31 Thread Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY CCDC ARL (USA) via License-discuss
McCoy, if you're willing to talk with Diane, I'd appreciate it! I did talk with her quite a while ago about the USG's issues, but nothing much came of the interaction (she seemed very, very busy at the time). If you're able to continue the discussions, I would be very interested in seeing wher

[License-discuss] John Cowan departs

2020-03-31 Thread John Cowan
After many many years of reading and participating on -discuss and -review, I've concluded that: 1) I get no benefit from reading these lists any more 2) I can rarely contribute in an effective way 3) Everything seems to be the same old, same old, under a different name 4) I wind up muting more

Re: [License-discuss] Thoughts on AAL and OSS vs FOSS

2020-03-31 Thread Richard Fontana
On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 9:08 AM Syed Arsalan Hussain Shah wrote: > > The alternative license besides AAL could be the CAL1.0 that has been > approved recently. > > > You must retain all licensing, authorship, or attribution notices contained > > in the Source Code (the “Notices”), and provide al

[License-discuss] CPAL 1.0 License | Badge-ware | Clarification

2020-03-31 Thread Syed Arsalan Hussain Shah
[1][2] Does the CPAL 1.0 considered badgeware license? Name | Common Public Attribution License Version 1.0 (CPAL-1.0) OSI | APPROVED FSF | APPROVED 14. ADDITIONAL TERM: ATTRIBUTION [3] .may include in Exhibit B (“Attribution Information”) a requirement that each time an Executable and Sour

Re: [License-discuss] Thoughts on AAL and OSS vs FOSS

2020-03-31 Thread Syed Arsalan Hussain Shah
> *If the work has interactive user interfaces, each must display Appropriate Legal Notices; however, if the Program has interactive interfaces that do not display Appropriate Legal Notices, your work need not make them do so.* I never read GPL in this detail though and its interesting, but thos