Re: KRnet> Vne for the Freebird

2024-04-15 Thread MS
The stresses that accompany high speed dives/passes have killed probably more KR pilots than has anything else.  They give up one's margin, sometimes with a passenger (showing off).  Am I reading this right John . . . you lost your horizontal stabs and survived? * Droppin

Re: KRnet> Vne for the Freebird

2024-04-15 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
On 4/15/2024 12:40 PM, Oscar Zuniga via KRnet wrote: I for one would be very interested to learn how the FAA requires a certified aircraft's Vne be determined and also how aircraft designers work out that number and then flight test to it. +++

KRnet> Vne for the Freebird

2024-04-15 Thread Oscar Zuniga via KRnet
Netters; I for one would be very interested to learn how the FAA requires a certified aircraft's Vne be determined and also how aircraft designers work out that number and then flight test to it. The designer and builder of the prototype M-19 Flying Squirrel that I'm replicating said that he s

Re: KRnet> Vne for the Freebird

2024-04-14 Thread John Gotschall via KRnet
High speed flutter.. I too have seen it in action, it's too fast to react to. The one I witnessed only took one second of elevater flutter before all the tail planes on one side had departed the aircraft. Only a short section of the left side horizontal stab spar remained. Everything on that sid

Re: KRnet> Vne for the Freebird

2024-04-14 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
I'm guessing that is more "general" than safe or correct.  The plans for the KR2 calls for balanced ailerons with a 200 mph red line.  I also had a friend get his legs beat up with rudder flutter in a 100 mph little bi-plane of some type.  Just as Ralph Nader declared the Corvair "unsafe at

Re: KRnet> Vne for the Freebird

2024-04-14 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
On 4/14/2024 12:19 PM, Adam Deem wrote: If I recall correctly, the 200mph VNE is because that is the generally accepted maximum speed assuring a reasonable flutter margin for unbalanced flight control designs. Adam Deem +++

Re: KRnet> Vne for the Freebird

2024-04-14 Thread Adam Deem via KRnet
If I recall correctly, the 200mph VNE is because that is the generally accepted maximum speed assuring a reasonable flutter margin for unbalanced flight control designs. Adam Deem On Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 1:14 PM Larry Flesner via KRnet < krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote: > > On 4/14/2024 2:59 AM, Ste

Re: KRnet> Vne for the Freebird

2024-04-14 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
On 4/14/2024 2:59 AM, Steve Loebs via KRnet wrote: So, my question is how are you guys defining Vne? IAS or TAS? +++ Until someone posts a more definitive answer I'll post what I assume to be the general knowledge on the s

KRnet> Vne for the Freebird

2024-04-14 Thread Steve Loebs via KRnet
After reading these two articles about Vne... https://www.vansaircraft.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/hp_limts.pdf https://www.aviationsafetymagazine.com/features/vne-revisited/ ...and after reading on the landing page of krnet.org the following: "Jim Hill's KR2 doing 200mph flyby at Hazel Gree