If I recall correctly, the 200mph VNE is because that is the generally
accepted maximum speed assuring a reasonable flutter margin for unbalanced
flight control designs.

Adam Deem

On Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 1:14 PM Larry Flesner via KRnet <
krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:

>
> On 4/14/2024 2:59 AM, Steve Loebs via KRnet wrote:
>
>
> So, my question is how are you guys defining Vne? IAS or TAS?
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> Until someone posts a more definitive answer I'll post what I assume to be
> the general knowledge on the subject.  The only VNE limit I ever recall
> seeing or hearing is the KR2 plans book that simply states "VNE is 200
> MPH".   How that was determined and is it IAS or TAS,  nobody knows except
> maybe Ken Rand.  To my knowledge no changes were made to VNE with the KR2S
> supplement, the new airfoil, or any other dimensional changes made in the
> 2S.  As every KR is different in some way the way the VNE is actually
> determined is in phase one testing of each individual aircraft.  There is a
> lot of "experimenting" in the design / testing of "Experimental aircraft".
> I suspect the Freebird will use the same numbers unless someone with a
> plans-built Freebird wants to do some ligament testing. The only testing
> I'm aware to have ever been done, other than phase one testing of each
> aircraft, is the new airfoil that was wind tunnel tested at the University
> of Illinois.
>
> This is a photo taken at about 300 feet during the decent on a low pass
> in 211LF with Mark Langford in the right seat as I recall.  I'm pointing to
> the 200 mph indicated on the ASI.  The color markings are not "official"
> speeds but speeds I felt comfortable with.  The "white" range is for the
> speed brake and the "yellow" range is the speed I felt comfortable with in
> rough air.   The 3/16" wire wrapped bolt below the compass is the temporary
> fix for a broken T-handle on the pull starter and not an indication of the
> build quality of 211LF. 🙂  Zach, the new owner, was up flying yesterday
> watching the needle on the ASI spin around the dial and the T-handle was
> repaired long ago.
>
> Larry Flesner
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