Flying is not cheap.?? Neither is boating, fishing, golf and just about any
hobby you try. No matter what engine you pick it will cost between $5 and $8
thousands after all expenses.?I believe flying a KR is about one of the least
expensive planes you can fly and travel in. I can tell you from m
I prefer the word frugal.
>Please fellows, do not degrade the KR. The >word to use is, "inexpensive".<
>Patrick Driscoll<
>Saint Paul, MN<
Joe Nunley?CW2 US Army RetiredBaker JROTC Instructor?Baker Florida?
-Original Message-
From: Randy Smith via KRnet
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 3:28 PM
To: KRnet
Cc: Randy Smith
Subject: Re: KR> VW Engines
Flying is not cheap. Neither is boating, fishing, golf and just about any
hobby you try. No matter what engine you pick it will cost between
I have to agree with the VW fans.
So far 250 trouble free hours on the GPACS 2180
Only two minor precautionary "returns to home airport after takeoff" which can
both be blamed on me , not the engine.
Secondary timing drive slipped due to loose clamp on one occasion and broken
push rod , end cap
I guess after 26 years behind a VW,I was dumb to think it would be a good
choice.Tommy W.Never did land off airport.
On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 11:06 PM, Patrick Driscoll via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:
> Chris said: its not necessarily cheap but a KR is about as cheap as it
> gets. and
Chris said: its not necessarily cheap but a KR is about as cheap as it gets.
and I
honestly have concluded that the VW can be acceptably reliable and
easy / cheap to maintain.
Please fellows, do not degrade the KR. The word to use is, "inexpensive".
Patrick Driscoll
Saint Paul, MN
patrick36 at us
its not necessarily cheap but a KR is about as cheap as it gets. and I
honestly have concluded that the VW can be acceptably reliable and
easy / cheap to maintain.
On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 9:29 PM, Phillip Hill via KRnet
wrote:
> I don't know, I've been debating abandoning the KR with all the
>
Alastair Hawkins wrote:
> I have removed the Force one hub by making a specialized puller.
That's good to know. Maybe I'll try to replace my oil seals after all.
I use the press because Steve Bennett told me there was no way to get
the hub off without a press. I'll bet you've already learned
I don't know, I've been debating abandoning the KR with all the
discouraging comments about the VW based designs. All the other options are
super expensive. Seems flying is for the rich.
On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Alastair Hawkins via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:
> I have removed
There are a couple of versions of an additional front mounted bearing.
It's called a 5th bearing, BTA, (better than air), etc. Go to flycorvair.net or
Dan Wesemans Fly with? SPA. Or google Corvallis 5th bearing.?Bill Jacobs
Daytona Beach, Fl.
On Thursday, June 23, 2016 12:44 PM, Kayak Chris
ursday, June 23, 2016 4:50:38 PM
Subject: Re: KR> VW Engines
> I will probably take the engine apart in the next couple months
> and if Dan wants to examine it I would return it to him to check out
>Joe Horton N357CJ -
+++
> I will probably take the engine apart in the next couple months
> and if Dan wants to examine it I would return it to him to check out
>Joe Horton N357CJ -
+++
Not before the Gathering, I hope, un
I have removed the Force one hub by making a specialized puller.
You copy the hub bolt pattern into a 1/4"thick steel sheet.
Remove the prop bolt and hub washer.
Take a socket and install the bolt thru it into the hub, then add
another socket so that it sticks out the front of the hub a 1/4".
Fo
"
Cc: "Kayak Chris"
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 12:39:31 PM
Subject: Re: KR> VW Engines
how does a corvair engine get "run without a front bearing" and does
this mean front main crank bearing, or some other bearing outboard of
the case?
?Too bad the "soon to be o
Chris
Check out Roy Szarafinski's Fifth Bearing at roysgarage.com in Osseo,
Michigan.Pete Klapp, building N729PK,Canton, Ohio
> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 17:44:43 +
> To: krnet at list.krnet.org
> Subject: Re: KR> VW Engines
> From: krnet at list.krnet.org
> CC: bil
Well this set of comments would have me steer well clear of GPASC
engine. Even if they are reliable when properly mated and assembled,
it sounds like their crankshaft/hub solution is not very serviceable
down the line.
After all these years how can this not been resolved? Presumably the
revmaster
how does a corvair engine get "run without a front bearing" and does
this mean front main crank bearing, or some other bearing outboard of
the case?
Too bad the "soon to be officially mine" Corvair powered KR has taken to
>> circulating the better part of the cam gear teeth throughout the engine?
Thanks Miik, from this point forward I will refer to said business as
GPASC.
On Jun 22, 2016 4:40 PM, "Mike Stirewalt via KRnet"
wrote:
> "Re. Great planes. With all due respect Mark, and I mean that sincerely,
> their has been the same man at the heart of Great Planes from the
> beginning . . .
"Re. Great planes. With all due respect Mark, and I mean that sincerely,
their has been the same man at the heart of Great Planes from the
beginning . . ."
I've got about 900 hours on mine and trust it as much (or more) as I
would a Lycoming or Continental. I routinely fly at night and over wild
Jeff Lange wrote:
> Too bad the "soon to be officially mine" Corvair powered KR has taken
to circulating the better part of the cam gear teeth throughout the engine?
That sounds like an engine that was run without a front bearing for some
period of time. The nose of the crank moves so far up
Wow, lots of things I could add and say about this thread ; )
Oddly enough, I am in Mark?s camp when it comes to turbocharging a VW in a
plane, at least at this point. While I have about 8 flight hours on my turbo
motor, I don?t/can?t approach the plane like I used to. It used to be a pretty
fa
Re. Great planes. With all due respect Mark, and I mean that sincerely,
their has been the same man at the heart of Great Planes from the beginning
and one of the owners and still directing the engine department and most
other aspects of GP. By the way look at all the changes Corvair has gone
throu
Some random thoughts that I feel must be said:
Turbocharging a VW would be a recipe for disaster IMHO, and insurance
that you wouldn't do much flying. Don't forget...it's all about flying,
not how fast you can say your plane would go if it were running.
GPASC has proprietary parts...flywheel
Few VW questions, anyone know any significant differences between
Great Plains and Revmaster approaches to VW Type 1 engine?
In particular, Revmaster has a hemispherical chamber and improved
alloy in the heads. Wondering any feedback on that.
Also, would welcome any comments on ignition types, ai
Whoever bought Video Bob's KR project got a Type IV that looked really
nice - as did the entire project. Whoever bought that project got quite
a deal.
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I've been looking for pictures and a writeup on a beautiful KR with a Type 4
that was built by a Florida medical guy. As I recall, it won some awards at
Sun 'n' Fun and may have won a 'Best Engine' at a KR Gathering. I believe the
builder sold it and he may have died since then too, but I may
I have that smooth 6 cylinder Corvair with Ellison and everything else,
including the prop. For Sale.
Built by Roy with his front bearing. Let me know if you are interested, at
Danrh at Windstream.net
See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics?
2015 KR Gathering - McMinnville,
Nice explanation.Thanks,
?Bill Jacobs Daytona Beach, Fl.
On Saturday, January 23, 2016 9:04 AM, Mark Langford via KRnet wrote:
Mike Stirewalt wrote:
> Would somebody take the time to explain why the Type IV engine is not
> the engine you usually see in homebuilts. Why is the Type 2 favor
Quote
There's a lot more on this at http://www.n56ml.com/kvw.html , from back
when I was planning to use a Type 4 VW, but discovered the Corvair. I
still regret selling my Type 4...I sure wish I had it now! Unquote
I've got a new one, trouble is I don't know what it's worth.
Mark Langford
one would buy it.
--
Wayne DeLisle Sr.
> KR> VW engines
>
> laser147 at juno.com laser147 at juno.com
> Fri Jan 22 23:30:12 EST 2016
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> Would somebody take the time to explain why the Type IV engine is not the
Thanks, Glover, Wayne, Langford and Larry. It was a posting by Wayne
some time ago that promped the question. His link http://type4store.com/,
located south of Chicago, shows some really nice looking components.
They have polished and ported heads, specially ported to take advantage
of a cam opti
I was just reading an article about converting a Type 1 Beetle engine to
a Type 4 setup, and they cite the difference in weight to be about 26
pounds, assuming everything else is equal. I think GPASC calls the Type
1 160 pounds, but that doesn't include the exhaust system (not sure
about the h
Hi Mike,
Bill Masquelier and I have the basics for a type 4 across the field
from you. We have the cases, crank, heads. We got it because of Mark
Langford's initial enthusiasm for that type VW. They do the machining up at
Lake Elsinore. If you or anyone else is interested let us know. We are
Mike Stirewalt wrote:
> Would somebody take the time to explain why the Type IV engine is not
> the engine you usually see in homebuilts. Why is the Type 2 favored?
The small 1600cc based Type 1 is what you see in most aircraft. The
larger, more robust 1700-2000cc (from the factory) engine is
Cost
Steve Glover
Sent from my electronic leash.
Would somebody take the time to explain why the Type IV engine is not the
engine you usually see in homebuilts. Why is the Type 2 favored?
Mike
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Aerovee uses cast cranks if I'm not mistaken. It was learned long ago
not to use cast cranks for VW powered aircraft. If I'm wrong, and
Aerovee has gone to forged cranks somewhere along the line, then
obviously the alloy used in what they bought off the shelf at the sand
buggy shop needs improvem
Mark,
One of my ex-colleagues and friend (a Frenchman) used to be a crash
investigator for Eurocopter, and one of his favorite topics would be the
crazy lawsuits in which he had to testify in the US. In one case, the lawyer
put large portraits of the Eurocopter board members on chairs facing the
j
Coldlk-Tim wrote:
No passengers is the ONLY way to avoid right seat hassles, but then there's
the stuff on the ground like San Diego F-18 Hornet this week, My 1,000,000
liability coverage wouldn't cover that :-(
Yeah except a KR wouldn't weight 15 tons or do that much damage. I feel
sorry for
Bottom line is wavier's, or agreements don't keep you out of Court.
They just aid in the decision makingSo you have an appearance date like
a charge
Judge/Jury decides what flies or not
Serious matters need $$ Lawyers $$ from the first notice, so a No Win
Small claims court is justice, but l
n Fri, 12/12/08, Mark Langford wrote:
From: Mark Langford
Subject: Re: KR> vw engines, liability
To: "KRnet"
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Friday, December 12, 2008, 6:36 AM
Mark W wrote:
> So tell him you are doing a "dune buggy". You are doing
experimental
They do that here.
If you are a man in Washington state and contest your divorce as
respondent, you get to pay both sets of laywers. I know, 'cause I did.
$36,000.00
jg
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 07:36 -0600, Mark Langford wrote:
> Mark W wrote:
> Things are a lot different in
> Europe where if
Mark W wrote:
> So tell him you are doing a "dune buggy". You are doing experimental
> aircraft... the risk is yours (clearly stated in the regs... his only risk
> is if he fails to provide what he advertises; i.e., if you crash after
> accepting his disclaimers, you need good insurance).
If you
So tell him you are doing a "dune buggy". You are doing experimental
aircraft... the risk is yours (clearly stated in the regs... his only risk
is if he fails to provide what he advertises; i.e., if you crash after
accepting his disclaimers, you need good insurance).
JMHO
Mark W
N952MW (res)
This guy has some interesting vw heads. Too bad, but says he does not do
"aircraft".
http://bugpatch.com
jg
KRnetters:
I have an old 36 hp VW engine that has not been ran in years. What I want to
know is the
largest displacement engin that the case can be turned into. I have cossidered
just replacing the crank with a forged one and just overhauling it as a 36 hp
for a mini-max or a high max or ma
>I have an old 36 hp VW engine that has not been ran in years. What
>I want to know is the
>largest displacement engin that the case can be turned into. I have
>cossidered just replacing the crank with a forged one and just
>overhauling it as a 36 hp for a mini-max or a high max or maybe ju
Don,
Dennis Dyer has a set of jugs that came off an 1835 if they would fit
your application. They have been machined for dual plugsBobby
> KRnetters:
>
> I have an old 36 hp VW engine that has not been ran in years. What I
> want to know is the
> largest displacement engin th
Where are you?? Only use the 36 on a KR-1. No parts for upgrading
to more HP, Virg. For Baffeling it is shorter than all other VDubs.
On Fri, 12 May 2006 18:48:24 -0500 D F Lively
writes:
> KRnetters:
>
> I have an old 36 hp VW engine that has not been ran in years. What
> I want to
Will not fit, case is shorter, Virg
On Fri, 12 May 2006 17:10:30 -0700 (PDT) bo...@hatconversions.com writes:
> Don,
> Dennis Dyer has a set of jugs that came off an 1835 if they
> would fit
> your application. They have been machined for dual
> plugsBobby
>
>
>
>
>
>
I've also got the case for the 1835 and the prop hub.
Dennis
--- bo...@hatconversions.com wrote:
From: bo...@hatconversions.com
To: "KRnet"
Subject: Re: KR> VW Engines
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:10:30 -0700 (PDT)
Don,
Dennis Dyer has a set
Anybody owning a large VW engine (2.4 liter or so) , with dual spark
plugs, please E-mail me off net.
Thanks.
Serge Vidal
KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
Paris, France
Hello,
I was wondering if you guys could give me the dirt on VW engines. Are
they reliable? They are pretty cheap and I am trying to find out if
this is another "you get what you pay for" type of thing. Please write
back with any information you feel will help my decision. Thanks for
all the ex
Derek asks-
>I was wondering if you guys could give me the dirt on VW engines.
>Are they reliable? They are pretty cheap and I am trying to find out
>if this is another "you get what you pay for" type of thing.
Derek, other than the Type IV which is more robust (but more expensive),
you're deali
sense to me. Choose any
engine you would like but whatever you do, don't just choose "cheap."
Jim Faughn
891JF
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From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
Behalf Of Derek H. Hudeck
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 11:31 AM
To: kr...@myl
t.org
Date: 11/22/04 18:13:49
To: 'KRnet'
Subject: RE: KR> VW engines
Derek,
I've been flying mine for over 350 hours. Seems to work well for me. I
trust my life, my wife's life, my friends lives and all the lives of the
KR people that have flown with me. I guess I f
"Are they reliable?"
Hello Derek
As others have said, the VW is as reliable as the sum of the parts used. I
ran my first VW engine 20 years without opening the case. It was a type 4.
Most will say it is tougher, but heaver then the other VW engines, and not
as many parts are available in the
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