> "Spruce carries most of the parts as long as you know the correct part
numbers since some of them are impossible to find on their web site."
Spruce has the worst, most frustrating website I've ever come across -
all the more surprising since such a successful business is running such
crap softwa
I have pieces of 5/8" spruce from a project that were given to me. That
project was started in 1979 and never finished. The spruce has no coating,
has been kept dry and looks like the spruce you would get from AC Spruce
today. Keep it dry or coat all surfaces exposed to air (including bolt an
Likewise, I have done some work using spruce that was at least 20 years
old, stored in a hangar all that time, and was fine. I have some
spruce-stick-built ribs that are possibly as old as Sid's spruce, never
varnished but kept dry and they are perfectly airworthy. I know some
people who ripped
Hi All
I think I am qualified to comment on this one with a degree in forestry and
a diploma in Timber technology!
If it came from a reputable source the spruce you will be using for your KR
will have been kiln dried, as long you keep the timber dry it will not get
infected with fungi.
There ar
t; krnet at list.krnet.org
> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 22:27:19 +
> Subject: Re: KR> Spruce Fungus?
> From: krnet at list.krnet.org
>
> Hi All
> I think I am qualified to comment on this one with a degree in forestry and
> a diploma in Timber technology!
>
> If it c
If you buy your spruce from Wicks or Aircraft Spruce you shouldn't have
any problems.
Chris
On 1/15/2015 12:01 PM, gluejam via KRnet wrote:
> At the risk of making a fool of myself, I bet he's confusing diseases
> of living trees with lumber/wood preservation and protection.
> Fungus can attack
Hi All, an A&P friend of mine (and aluminum experimental builder), mentioned
some spruce fungus issue that if not caught can be disastrous. Is this an issue
with the materials, and if so how to inspect/avoid/prevent?
Thanks
At the risk of making a fool of myself, I bet he's confusing diseases of
living trees with lumber/wood preservation and protection.
Fungus can attack most any unprotected or ignored wood or wooden
product, so some sort of protection is required for longevity. Varnish
was the old standby but now
y, April 24, 2012 11:18 PM
Subject: KR> KR Spruce kit & Plywood kit
I am a member of EAA Chapter 237 in Blaine, Minnesota. Recently, the estate
of one of our past members donated the residue of several projects to our
chapter. We have what appears to be a complete spruce kit and p
I am a member of EAA Chapter 237 in Blaine, Minnesota. Recently, the estate
of one of our past members donated the residue of several projects to our
chapter. We have what appears to be a complete spruce kit and plywood kit
for a KR-2. The material is still in its original shipping crates . I
o
I need to pick out a paint scheme, where can I find lots and lots!!!
pictures of completed kr2 planes? Thanks! :)
On Oct 5, 2011 12:44 AM, "omotosho olalekan" wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Please I need a help, since I couldnt get materials locally I tired to
contact Aircraft Spruce for a Freight quotaio
Hi Folks,
Please I need a help, since I couldnt get materials locally I tired to contact
Aircraft Spruce for a Freight quotaion for the KR2S Spruce kits on thier
website, but I want to know if the spruce kits on ACS is all I need for my KR2S
or there have been changes on the plans which require
hand plane and
sand.
- Original Message -
From: "David Stowers"
To:
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 5:08 PM
Subject: KR> spruce vs other woods
>I was wondering if there was anyone that has used other woods for aviation
>projects instead of spruce. Spruce is gettin
Spruce Goose was primarily built from Birch not SpruceEAA has info &
Book's on types grades and research into different types/species for
building.
CldLk-Tim
- Original Message -
From: "Patrick and Robin Russo"
Yes, I have used pine to do a wood/fabric L-19 look-alike. Incident
3, 2011 5:08 PM
Subject: KR> spruce vs other woods
>I was wondering if there was anyone that has used other woods for aviation
>projects instead of spruce. Spruce is getting hard to obtain at reasonable
>prices and there are other woods that are stronger, but a little heavier. I
>
Quite a few aircraft over here are being built using Hoop Pine.
Cheers.
Pete.
Ballina.
Oz, Mate.
On 4/01/2011 09:08, David Stowers wrote:
> I was wondering if there was anyone that has used other woods for aviation
> projects instead of spruce. Spruce is getting hard to obtain at reasonable
> p
I built my entire boat section and spars from Doug fir. At the time, our
shop was ordering some very high quality lumber for our trusses. so I would
take my breaks and lunch look through every new unit that was opened. After
about three months I was able to find quite a bit and then "acclimated it"
I was wondering if there was anyone that has used other woods for aviation
projects instead of spruce. Spruce is getting hard to obtain at reasonable
prices and there are other woods that are stronger, but a little heavier. I am
looking at a larger engine so I think the weight issue could be bal
Thanks for all the input.
I have decided to go with the hoop pine which I sourced at Mathews Timber.
They brought out a pack of 100 No. 1 Clears from which I selected 4 pieces
of 8" x 1" x 17'. The cost was less than $3 per foot!
Today I have been ripping them into lengths and then using my favo
I am ready to order my timber and being on a very tight budget, I am
seriously considering douglas fir as an alternative to spruce. The spruce
kit machined and delivered from an interstate supplier (Australia) is going
to cost $3,000AU ($2,365US). Douglas fir on the other hand will be about
1/2 t
u
web: www.members.optusnet.com.au/johnjanet/Martindale.htm
- Original Message -
From: "Darren Crompton"
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 9:37 PM
Subject: KR> Spruce vs Douglas Fir
>I am ready to order my timber and being on a very tight budget, I am
> seriously consi
In my experience, douglas fir is about 25% heavier,
but it is also stronger. Just make sure it has the
proper grain count and runout, ect...
Scott
--- Darren Crompton wrote:
> I am ready to order my timber and being on a very
> tight budget, I am
> seriously considering douglas fir as an alt
I am seriously considering Douglas fir as an alternative to spruce.
Hey Darren, you have a better alternate right there - hoop pine lumber and
ply - same selection criteria.
I have made a careful study of the known alternatives and hoop pine is no
compromise at all - good stuf
The supplier I spoke to in Newcastle said that hoop pine was more brittle
than fir, similar weight, same price and more difficult to get in aircraft
quality. I had discounted it because of its supposed brittle nature but I
do like the idea of building from an Australian timber.
On 3/15/07, Steve
Here's the "Wood Book", it should contain all the info that you need to choose
a wood type for your KR.
http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fplgtr/fplgtr113/fplgtr113.htm
and here is a great Australian source for info;
http://www.auf.asn.au/scratchbuilder/contents.html
and finally here i
Go for it, Virg
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:37:22 +1100 "Darren Crompton"
writes:
> I am ready to order my timber and being on a very tight budget, I am
> seriously considering douglas fir as an alternative to spruce. The
> spruce
> kit machined and delivered from an interstate supplier (Aus
On 3/15/07, Darren Crompton wrote:
> I am ready to order my timber and being on a very tight budget, I am
> seriously considering douglas fir as an alternative to spruce.
On http://krnet.org/ there is a link to the old paper KR newsletters,
downloadable in pdf. Many years ago a gentleman document
Here's a PDF file that does just that, gives you a selection and test
methodology for the non-certified wood that you use in your project.
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/UEP5RcRYnIYwgM31-UmspXnpzXSACpMccoQgrDp9Uu1qDMgymUiKC-4JXir34SzdezeIxQpOdzPeNtENwWQWwg/testing_wood.pdf
Denny ...
Ron Butt
can check here prices and freight costs .
Best regards,
Claudio Holanda
-
Original Message -
From: "Darren Crompton"
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:37 AM
Subject: KR> Spruce vs Douglas Fir
>I
Lots of airplanes have been built using Douglas Fir. It's a little heavier,
but also stronger than spruce.
Russ
- Original Message -
From: "Darren Crompton"
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 2:37 AM
Subject: KR> Spruce vs Douglas Fir
> I am ready to order my timbe
Darren,
Fir is a good choice, I have used fir for my airplane. The complete fuse
without plywood weighs 22 pounds, if I had built with Spruce it would
have weighed about 19 to 20 pounds. Not much difference if you ask me.
Truth is, the frame of the airplane only makes up a small part of the
whole
ssage -
From: "Darren Crompton"
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 2:37 AM
Subject: KR> Spruce vs Douglas Fir
> I am ready to order my timber and being on a very tight budget, I am
> seriously considering douglas fir as an alternative to spruce. The spruce
> kit mac
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Many Aircraft in Aust are from Hoop Pine. Including my mates Corby Starlet.
He was VERY happy with it.
Phil Matheson
SAAA Ch. 20
VH-PKR
Australia
EMAIL: phillipmathe...@bigpond.com
KR Web Page: www.philskr2.50megs.com
http://www.vw-engines.com/
Net heads,
There is a test rig for woods in a very early KR newsletter. About # 10 or
something like that
Robin.
r.macdon...@clear.net.nz
Aircraft wood starts with the logging process. The tree must be felled
so that there are no induced cracks in the wood. There's a lot of
issues with aircraft wood, and a lot more than ring counts and linear
runout. The wood has to be treated right throughout the ENTIRE process.
One way to know f
ent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:24 PM
Subject: RE: KR> Spruce V Douglas Fir
> Aircraft wood starts with the logging process. The tree must be felled
> so that there are no induced cracks in the wood. There's a lot of
> issues with aircraft wood, and a lot more than ring counts an
I bought my wood from a boat building company,(Sitka Spruce) and my douglas
fir came from a old house that was being torn down
Patrick Driscoll
Saint Paul, MN
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I am eager to start building the sides of the fuselage and called wicks to
see what spruce I would need out of the spruce kit and they didn't know.
This is the first on the list, would this do it for the sides?
KR200-017 5/8X5/8X12' SPRUCE 6 EA
KR200-019 5/8X5/8X120'RAN SPRUCE 1 EA
That will get you going on the frame for the sides.
Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI USA
E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
Visit my NEW
KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at www.flykr2s.com
- Original Message -
From: "troy Mcgrew"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:24 PM
Subject: KR&
If you are building a KR2S you might want to change four of the 12' lengths to
14'.
Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama
troy Mcgrew wrote:
> I am eager to start building the sides of the fuselage and called wicks to
> see what spruce I would need out of the spruce kit
Troy
There is a complete list of spruce requirements listed at the back of your
registered plans.
John
- Original Message -
From: "troy Mcgrew"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 11:24 AM
Subject: KR> spruce to start the fuselage
>I am eager to start building
Hi All,
After having recieved the plans, and after reading the manual through
- twice - I still can't find a breakdown of what timber is required.
I am hoping to order it through an Australian supplier, but can't work
out exactly what I neeed to get.
Does such a list exist? If so: where?
I'm really
There should have been a list with your plans. If not give me you address and I
will mail you a copy if I can find it. Are you building a KR2 or a 2s?
Chris Theroux
Gilbert, AZ
John wrote:
> After having recieved the plans, and after reading the manual through -
twice - I still can't find a breakdown of what timber is required.
John,
Here is what I found in last years Wicks catalog. The new catalog I got at
the gathering didn't have the breakout. I think this is what
Chris,
I'm building a KR2S.
As I'm the second owner of the project it is possiblr that the list
was lost along the way, or sent to a supplier for a quote.
Email address is
bavington at gmail.com
Thanks,
John.
On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:56:55 -0400, Dean Cooper
wrote:
> John wrote:
> > After having r
I didn't get a list with mine either John.
Gav
- Original Message - ,
> I'm building a KR2S.
> As I'm the second owner of the project it is possiblr that the list
> was lost along the way, or sent to a
Gav
Send me a fax Number and I'll send it to you
also see new email
Phillip Matheson
mathe...@dodo.com.au
Australia
VH PKR
See our engines and kits at.
http://www.vw-engines.com/
http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/
See my KR Construction web page at
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR
I just had a idea about your timber lengths,
Some builders have cut the Longerons and rejoined them.When extending ther
KR's
Would this be an option and ship shorter lengths of wood.???
Phil Matheson
mathe...@dodo.com.au
Australia
61 3 58833588
See our VW Engines and home built Parts
and Kits at:
Sorry that was not meant to be posted on the net
Phil Matheson
mathe...@dodo.com.au
Australia
61 3 58833588
See our VW Engines and home built Parts
and Kits at:
http://www.vw-engines.com/
www.homebuilt-aviation.com
Before I order my spruce I want to know if anyone has a name of a contact at
Aircraft Spruce. He, She would be familar with the KR. I plan on driving to
pick up my order and talk face to face. (I live less than two hours away.)
>Before I order my spruce I want to know if anyone has a name of a contact at
Aircraft Spruce.
Good luck!
I have had so many problems with Aircraft Spruce I will never order from them
again unless they are the only place I can find what I need. The last run in
I had with them was over some
I don't know if you can find anyone at ACS familiar with the KR.
What is your question.
The founder of Wicks Aircraft built one of the first KR kits..
but that is the founder.
The employees of these places are usually regular non-kit building
people I have found. You might find a KRnetter who c
. You may not have this type of
access with somebody else.
- Original Message -
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: KR>Spruce Order
> >Before I order my spruce I want to know if anyone has a name of a contact
at
> Aircraft Spruce.
>
> Good
In a message dated 3/4/2004 3:12:32 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
feg...@earthlink.net writes:
Think about it.
Their are only so many sources for KR speciality made
parts. We could try to force one out of business.
Well, it you lost 30 dollars on every order would you order from them again
if
Dear Sir;
I apologize for incorrectly reading your message. I was unaware that you
lost $30 on all your orders or even one for that matter.. Again I apologize.
Joe
- Original Message -
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: KR>Spruce Order
> In a m
- Original Message -
From:
> Good luck!
>
> I have had so many problems with Aircraft Spruce I will never order from
them
> again unless they are the only place I can find what I need.
Amen to that. Today I received a RAC trim system from AS&S and it did not
include the LED position ind
Thanks for the replies of the spruce order question. I saw a lot of complaints
so that is why I asked for a person to person contact. Does not seem to be one.
As far as time to ship. That is why I want to drive to pick up. I personally
purchased a "PILOT" headset as a back up from Aircraft Sp
> "Mark Jones" writes:
> Today I received a RAC trim system from AS&S and it
> did not include the LED position indicator as they represent
> that it does. I ordered the T4-5 model and when I received it,
> the instructions states that the T4-5 servo has no compatible
> position indicator. The AS
ark, is this one for rudder or
aileron ?
Bud Midkiff
Lynnwood, WA
email: c.midk...@verizon.net
http://rayallencompany.com/index.html
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Jones"
To: "KRnet"
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: KR>Spruce Order
>
-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html
- Original Message -
From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff"
To: "KRnet"
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: KR>Spruce Order
> Mark & Others,
> One thing
x27;re
well off !
RegardsMac McConnell-Wood G-BVZJ
Hampshire , England, UK- Original Message -
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 3:43 AM
Subject: Re: KR>Spruce Order
> > "Mark Jones" writes:
> > Today I received a RAC trim system from AS&S
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indicator.
- Original Message -
From: ace nunye
To: kr...@mylist.net
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: KR>Spruce Order/ Trim indicator
Mark if you need a trim indicator you may be able to use a trim indicator for
an outboard I am t
They have a KR2 hanging from the ceiling! However, the spruce is cut to
order. You will have to go back in 7-14 days.
>Before I order my spruce I want to know if anyone has a name of a contact
>at Aircraft Spruce. He, She would be familar with the KR. I plan on
>driving to pick up my order a
>They have a KR2 hanging from the ceiling!
Sorry, that is at the Corona store.
Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
lar...@socal.rr.com
NetHeads,
Bernie Wunder heeded the call, and sent me a list of Spruce for the KR2 that
he got from Wicks. You might need to check against differences in the S if
you're going to build an S, but the only place I can think would be
different would be the length of the vertical stabilizer and rudder
Several places different off the top of my head for the S model
-longerons were longer
-shelf and engine mount cross members
-more 5/8" material for the extra bay and cross bracing under turtle deck
area
I'm not sure that the spar material was the sme but ply list will be
different too
Mark wrote:
>
> sent me a list of Spruce for the KR2 that
> he got from Wicks. . Anyway, it's at
> http://www.krnet.org/kr2woodkit.jpg .
Just a little amplificationI ordered the KR2S Spruce wood kit from
Wicks. When I went thru the Wicks invoice and tried to inventory what I had
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