Re: KRnet> Canopy failure question

2023-01-24 Thread John Gotschall via KRnet
So, All planes I have own and flown has this happen, the hatch, door, latch finds a way to open on it's own. 2 certified, 1 experimental. I have often carried a bungee to hold it from unlatching. I own a kr I have never flown. I will be needing a really safe can't wiggle loose solution.. My o

Re: KRnet> Canopy Fix

2023-01-24 Thread shafferj455js
Can " find " -From: shafferj45...@twc.com To: "KRnet" Cc: Sent: Tuesday January 24 2023 11:26:49PM Subject: Re: KRnet> Canopy Fix You folks can also fing lots of canopy latch systems in Tony Bingelis books. -

Re: KRnet> Canopy Fix

2023-01-24 Thread shafferj455js
You folks can also fing lots of canopy latch systems in Tony Bingelis books. -From: "victor taylor via KRnet" To: "KRnet" Cc: "victor taylor" Sent: Tuesday January 24 2023 9:36:50PM Subject: Re: KRnet> Canopy Fix While I mostly agree with Mark and

Re: KRnet> Canopy failure question

2023-01-24 Thread shafferj455js
Yes, look at your canopy. The top is the shape of your wing top airfoil surface, and it produces lift. Vibration is what caused mine to open, but I now have an entirely different latch mechanism. The aircraft structure did not fail, nor did my latch, it just vibrated to the unlock position.

Re: KRnet> Pete Klapp crash comments from NTSB

2023-01-24 Thread shafferj455js
I am the John Shaffer you refer to. My homemade latching mechanism vibrated to an unlocked position in a very mild turbulence. Nothing even on the G meter. I had just read about a Navion canopy blowing off in flight , and the 3 souls spun to their death. If you ever have one come open in

Re: KRnet> Canopy failure question

2023-01-24 Thread Rudi Venter via KRnet
My KR2 that had the canopy "issue" has a front hinged "pop up" canopy. The latch was (changed now) a central knob between the seats that pushed 2 rods, one on each side, through holes in tabs that are attached to the canopy. One of the things I disliked about it is that it was never easy to confirm

Re: KRnet> Re: Canopy failure question

2023-01-24 Thread Jeff Scott via KRnet
The key here is to have a simple secondary latch or catch should the primary latch either fail, or in my case, I forget to latch it. My RV has a simple handle at the back of the canopy frame that I rotate 90 degrees when I close the canopy. When rotated 90 degrees, the handle overlaps the bottom

Re: KRnet> Canopy Fix

2023-01-24 Thread victor taylor via KRnet
While I mostly agree with Mark and also feel the canopy should be hinged at the front: if you have one already hinged at the side there may be hope and a safer method. I just build a Drongonfly canopy latch that is virtually identical to the Long EZ latch for N47MG. I have a lot of time in Long

Re: KRnet> Canopy failure question

2023-01-24 Thread John Gotschall via KRnet
thanks Mark, So as I am reading it the rear of the canopy is the area being lifted in flight so in my 3d imagination I am visualizing a strap affair above and outside the bulk of the canopy structure, built into and not protruding, terminating at the bottom on both sides with "live or die" qualit

Re: KRnet> Canopy failure question

2023-01-24 Thread Mark Langford
On 1/24/2023 7:34 PM, John Gotschall via KRnet wrote: Is there a vacuum above a kr canopy in flight that makes it pop up? --- I've talked to two KR pilots in the last few days who both said they'd forgotten to latch the canopy and it only opened a few inches in flight.  Th

KRnet> Canopy failure question

2023-01-24 Thread John Gotschall via KRnet
So does anyone know are the failures with canopy latches becoming unlatched or are these something like frame failure, or delamination at the plexiglass events? Some mix of the above? Should my canopy construction include a carbon fiber or kevlar single direction strip on the outside of the canop

Re: KRnet> Pete Klapp crash comments from NTSB

2023-01-24 Thread Phillip Matheson via KRnet
Thank mark. When I got CofA for my KR2, the Authorities asked me to add two more canopy locksIt then had 4 over centre latches, two per side, two rear of the longeron and two mid longeron My new KR2SS has the sameVery sadPhilSent from my iPhoneOn 25 Jan 2023, at 01:39, Mark Langford wrote:

Re: KRnet> Pete Klapp crash comments from NTSB

2023-01-24 Thread MS
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 06:39:53 AM PST, Mark Langford wrote: The recently released Pete Klapp accident investigation update See https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket?ProjectID=103795 *** A forward-hinged canopy has always seemed to me a safer way

Re: KRnet> Pete Klapp crash comments from NTSB

2023-01-24 Thread Rich Parker via KRnet
John Schaeffer had a canopy open in flight years ago. Flat spun to the ground with serious injuries but luckily survived. Flew his newer KR to Lake Barkley gathering on a borrowed undersized prop. The man is a legend. Rich Parker NH Rich From: KRnet on behalf o

Re: KRnet> Pete Klapp crash comments from NTSB

2023-01-24 Thread ROBERT HARTMAIER via KRnet
Isn't "failed in flight" and "failed in the air" the same thing? > On 01/24/2023 9:39 AM Mark Langford wrote: > > > The recently released Pete Klapp accident investigation update includes > photos, toxicology, witness interview, logs. Most telling was the witness > interview (pilot o

Re: KRnet> Pete Klapp crash comments from NTSB

2023-01-24 Thread Rudi Venter via KRnet
Interesting! Having had a "Canopy failure" in flight on a KR2 I can attest that it was NOT fun So I can easily believe that it could be the cause of the crash. On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 4:40 PM Mark Langford wrote: > The recently released Pete Klapp accident investigation update includes > ph

Re: KRnet> Pete Klapp crash comments from NTSB

2023-01-24 Thread Bill Jacobs via KRnet
Thanks Mark Bill Jacobs Daytona Beach ⛱️ On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 9:39 AM, Mark Langford wrote: The recently released Pete Klapp accident investigation update includes photos, toxicology, witness interview, logs.  Most telling was the witness interview (pilot overheard Pete's radio c

KRnet> Pete Klapp crash comments from NTSB

2023-01-24 Thread Mark Langford
The recently released Pete Klapp accident investigationupdate includes photos, toxicology, witness interview, logs.  Most telling was the witness interview (pilot overheard Pete's radio call about "canopy failure"), but the NTSB has no conclusion.  Looking at the photos of the canopy connection