Re: [kopete-devel] Common emoticon specification

2006-11-07 Thread Matt Rogers
On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 04:33:18PM -0600, Richard Laager wrote: > On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 21:41 +0100, Olivier Goffart wrote: > > My concern is about the fact the JEP/XEP is focused on Jabber and Instant > > messaging, while it could be usefull in other place (mail client, web > > forum, ...) > > -

Re: [kopete-devel] Common emoticon specification

2006-11-07 Thread Richard Laager
On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 21:41 +0100, Olivier Goffart wrote: > My concern is about the fact the JEP/XEP is focused on Jabber and Instant > messaging, while it could be usefull in other place (mail client, web > forum, ...) > - The name "JISP" (Jabber Icon Style Package) is bad. Perhaps we can get t

Re: [kopete-devel] Common emoticon specification

2006-11-04 Thread Martijn Klingens
On Saturday 04 November 2006 10:03, Olivier Goffart wrote: > So if we want to standardize the Kopete format, we need to add many > addition to it,  which is not required if we just use the XEP one. > I have not seen real technical issue with this format. I haven't read the XEP closely enough to ju

Re: [kopete-devel] Common emoticon specification

2006-11-04 Thread Olivier Goffart
Le samedi 4 novembre 2006 03:01, Martijn Klingens a écrit : > On Saturday 04 November 2006 00:31, Matt Rogers wrote: > > Personally, I think we should abandon the use of the XEP as the basis for > > our common format. I see no reason to discontinue support for the XEP, > > but as pointed out, there

Re: [kopete-devel] Common emoticon specification

2006-11-03 Thread Martijn Klingens
On Saturday 04 November 2006 00:31, Matt Rogers wrote: > Personally, I think we should abandon the use of the XEP as the basis for > our common format. I see no reason to discontinue support for the XEP, but > as pointed out, there are other people using the current Kopete emoticon > specification,

Re: [kopete-devel] Common emoticon specification

2006-11-03 Thread Matt Rogers
On Friday 03 November 2006 14:41, Olivier Goffart wrote: > Le vendredi 3 novembre 2006 20:38, Richard Laager a écrit : > > Here are the things I'd like to see addressed: > > > > 1. The abuse of xml:lang for protocols is unacceptably horrible. That > > attribute, as its prefix indicates, is from the

Re: [kopete-devel] Common emoticon specification

2006-11-03 Thread Olivier Goffart
Le vendredi 3 novembre 2006 20:38, Richard Laager a écrit : > Here are the things I'd like to see addressed: > > 1. The abuse of xml:lang for protocols is unacceptably horrible. That > attribute, as its prefix indicates, is from the XML namespace and nobody > should be adding values except the XML

Re: [kopete-devel] Common emoticon specification

2006-11-03 Thread Richard Laager
On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 10:53 +0100, Olivier Goffart wrote: > My opinion is that we should continue on the Jabber format (XEP-0038), which > is already implemented by several client. Technically, this format looks good > to me. What i don't like is the fact it is too related to jabber (it's name,

Re: [kopete-devel] Common emoticon specification

2006-11-03 Thread Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett
On Friday 03 November 2006 10:31, Olivier Goffart wrote: > I personally think that theses item are not related to emoticon in any > case, and should not go into the emoticon theme. > > maybe some default item for the text-replace plugins, or for another plugin > > Note that for some protocol that d

Re: [kopete-devel] Common emoticon specification

2006-11-03 Thread Olivier Goffart
Le jeudi 2 novembre 2006 04:17, Matt Rogers a écrit : > This link: > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1491133&group_id=2 >35&atid=300235 > > points to a patch submitted to gaim's patch tracker to add support for > xml-based emoticon themes. Hey, good to know that Gaim is no

Re: [kopete-devel] Common emoticon specification

2006-11-03 Thread Olivier Goffart
Le jeudi 2 novembre 2006 11:05, Martijn Klingens a écrit : > Also, a long-standing wish that I eventually wanted to implement in Kopete > back when I was still working on it was to allow the engine to do more > sophisticated markup as well, like changing *bold* to bold > and /italic/ to italic, or

Re: [kopete-devel] Common emoticon specification

2006-11-02 Thread Richard Laager
On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 18:45 +0100, Martijn Klingens wrote: > > 2) The XML smiley theme would allow us to have mouse-over descriptions > > for smileys. > > I wonder what XML has to do with that though, probably specific for Gaim's > implementation? Yeah, our current implementation isn't very exte

Re: [kopete-devel] Common emoticon specification

2006-11-02 Thread Martijn Klingens
Richard, thanks for chiming in! Note though that you replied to a mail from me, and while I probably still have some credit due to past Kopete work, I am no longer a Kopete developer anymore because of lack of time. In other words: I'm not necessarily voicing the opinion of the Kopete developer

Re: [kopete-devel] Common emoticon specification

2006-11-02 Thread Richard Laager
For those of you that don't know me, I'm the Gaim developer to whom the Gaim XML smiley theme patch is assigned. I brought the proposal of a unified smiley theme to #kopete some time ago. I finally got around to following up with mattr again (sorry, been a busy summer at work!), and here we are. :)

Re: [kopete-devel] Common emoticon specification

2006-11-02 Thread Martijn Klingens
On Thursday 02 November 2006 14:29, Matt Rogers wrote: > > Is it possible that e.g. : ) in MSN yields another image than in ICQ? > > People will want this, so that they can make their emoticons per protocol > look like the ones from the original clients. Thinking about this more, in case of confli

Re: [kopete-devel] Common emoticon specification

2006-11-02 Thread Matt Rogers
On Thursday 02 November 2006 04:05, Martijn Klingens wrote: > On Thursday 02 November 2006 04:17, Matt Rogers wrote: > > My personal opinion is to remove the protocol element and add a protocol > > attribute to both the string and image elements to do per-protocol > > emoticons. > > How are per-pro

Re: [kopete-devel] Common emoticon specification

2006-11-02 Thread Martijn Klingens
On Thursday 02 November 2006 04:17, Matt Rogers wrote: > My personal opinion is to remove the protocol element and add a protocol > attribute to both the string and image elements to do per-protocol > emoticons. How are per-proto emoticons implemented? Is it possible that e.g. : ) in MSN yields a