Re: [issues] Mm? Quotas?

2000-02-11 Thread Rik Hemsley
#if J B > I know that I, as a geek boy, prefer geek chix to "norms". It is so hard to > have an intelligent conversation with your average, stereotypical female, > whereas the geeks can and will talk about everything. Includung, but not > limited to computers, movies, books, etc. Same here.

Re: [issues] Skud's new article on geek chicks..

2000-02-11 Thread Rik Hemsley
#if Jenn V. > In my experience, though, if females attempt to change male > behaviour - the male behaviour gets worse. So I'm inclined to let > the males who /are/ sympathetic//equalist take charge of the male > change. Hmm. I'd say that left to their own devices men will just start getting wors

Re: [issues] Mm? Quotas?

2000-02-11 Thread Rik Hemsley
#if Sunnanvind > Just saw something odd on http://www.windowmaker.org that I though we > might be interested in... > "In light of a recent article about geek chicks which was posted on > Freshmeat, I felt it was a good time to renew our call for volunteers. > The current core Window Maker team is

Re: [issues] Skud's new article on geek chicks..

2000-02-11 Thread Jenn V.
Rik Hemsley wrote: > > #if Jenn V. > > In my experience, though, if females attempt to change male > > behaviour - the male behaviour gets worse. So I'm inclined to let > > the males who /are/ sympathetic//equalist take charge of the male > > change. > > Hmm. I'd say that left to their own devic

Re: [issues] Skud's new article on geek chicks..

2000-02-11 Thread Shad Young
Rik Hemsley wrote: > > #if Jenn V. > > In my experience, though, if females attempt to change male > > behaviour - the male behaviour gets worse. So I'm inclined to let > > the males who /are/ sympathetic//equalist take charge of the male > > change. > > Hmm. I'd say that left to their own devic

Re: [issues] Skud's new article on geek chicks..

2000-02-11 Thread Rik Hemsley
#if Jenn V. > > Hmm. I'd say that left to their own devices men will just start > > getting worse again. They certainly need some prompting. > > *grin* is that an admission of guilt? :) Hehe, don't look at me. I've been training my brain. I'm a real human being these days. Woops, I found myself

Re: [issues] Skud's new article on geek chicks..

2000-02-11 Thread Rik Hemsley
#if Shad Young > > Hmm. I'd say that left to their own devices men will just start > > getting worse again. They certainly need some prompting. > > As a man I resent that statement. Men are not "Neanderthals". We have a > brain. We have morals. We know the differece between right and wrong. We >

Re: [issues] Skud's new article on geek chicks..

2000-02-11 Thread Bad Mojo
On Fri, 11 Feb 2000, Rik Hemsley wrote: > Just hit another interesting dilemma (how the fsck do you spell that) > in my post-adolescent-ideological-phase. People are encouraging me > to learn to drive. I don't like cars. I don't like roads. I'm a > fscking hippie. Do I undo all the good work I did

Re: [issues] Skud's new article on geek chicks..

2000-02-11 Thread Bad Mojo
On Fri, 11 Feb 2000, Rik Hemsley wrote: > Ok, I take it back. I was talking about 'other men', which doesn't > include you, me, and plenty of others. I don't know if your optimism > about the state of the male gender is a little premature, but hey, I'm > an optimist, so let's say that men have cha

Re: [issues] Mm? Quotas?

2000-02-11 Thread Deb Richardson
Kirrily 'Skud' Robert wrote: > Wow... Indeed. I, personally, think this is _great_. Kirrily, you are to be commended for having the courage to put yourself and your ideas on the line like that. I honestly think we are seeing a bit of a turnaround in geek culture these days, and it's because o

Re: [issues] Skud's new article on geek chicks..

2000-02-11 Thread Shad Young
Rik Hemsley wrote: > > Enlightenment happens to both sexes. > > Ok, I take it back. I was talking about 'other men', which doesn't > include you, me, and plenty of others. I don't know if your optimism > about the state of the male gender is a little premature, but hey, I'm > an optimist, so let

Re: [issues] Skud's new article on geek chicks..

2000-02-11 Thread Rik Hemsley
#if Shad Young > Sorry, Rik. Reading that back to myself I realize the inappropriateness > of the choice of the word "resent". Please accept my apologies. No problem :) I'm still working on being bothered enough to write things like 'obviously there are plenty of cases where this doesn't apply' j

Re: [issues] Politically correct (was: Mm? Quotas?)

2000-02-11 Thread Sunnanvind
On Fri, 11 Feb 2000, Jenn V. wrote: > > Sunnan (geek chicks really politically correct? Oh well..) > > Works for me - so long as its meant to indicate 'geek which happens > to have XX chromosomes'. I'd like just geek. A chick is a bird. Oh, well. I don't really mind. If the thought counts, the

Re: [issues] Politically correct (was: Mm? Quotas?)

2000-02-11 Thread Nicole Zimmerman
> I'd like just geek. > > A chick is a bird. > Oh, well. I don't really mind. If the thought counts, then the Window Maker > team is trying and I like that. The home of these lists is after all 'linuxchix' :o) I think the WindowMaker team's intentions are good, it's great that they decided to m

Re: [issues] Skud's new article on geek chicks..

2000-02-11 Thread coder
Rik Hemsley wrote: > > Just hit another interesting dilemma (how the fsck do you spell that) > in my post-adolescent-ideological-phase. People are encouraging me > to learn to drive. I don't like cars. I don't like roads. I'm a > fscking hippie. Do I undo all the good work I did to my conscience

Re: [issues] Skud's new article on geek chicks..

2000-02-11 Thread Rik Hemsley
#if coder > get a new volkswagon bug. Paint it weird colors. play your music > loud. Driving will be tolerable. ;) That's two people who've recommended a Beetle. Perhaps I will :) Ah.. no the best thing about driving is probably hollering at the top of your voice to the music. Until you get f

Re: [issues] Skud's new article on geek chicks..

2000-02-11 Thread Bad Mojo
On Sat, 12 Feb 2000, Rik Hemsley wrote: > That's two people who've recommended a Beetle. Perhaps I will :) > Ah.. no the best thing about driving is probably hollering at the > top of your voice to the music. Until you get funny looks at traffic > lights... If you can drive a beetle, and sing lou

[issues] Re; Skud's new article on geek chicks

2000-02-11 Thread Mary Wood
>If you have ideas for things women CAN do, though.. I'd love to >know them. Other than 'be present and visible and competent', I'm >fresh out Hmmm, take those too-many women who are perpetuating the negative female stereotype and beat them to a pulp? ... or would that not be drastic enough?

[issues] Car or not? (Was, re; Skud's new article...)

2000-02-11 Thread Mary Wood
Rik asks: > Just hit another interesting dilemma (how the fsck do you spell > that) in my post-adolescent-ideological-phase. People are > encouraging me to learn to drive. I don't like cars. I don't like > roads. I'm a fscking hippie. Do I undo all the good work I did > to my conscience or do I gi

Re: [issues] Skud's new article on geek chicks..

2000-02-11 Thread Dan McGarry
- Original Message - From: Shad Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [issues] Skud's new article on geek chicks.. > Rik Hemsley wrote: > > > > Hmm. I'd say that left to their own devices men will just start > > getting wor

Re: [issues] Skud's new article on geek chicks..

2000-02-11 Thread Dan McGarry
- Original Message - From: Rik Hemsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [issues] Skud's new article on geek chicks.. > #if coder > > get a new volkswagon bug. Paint it weird colors. play your music > > loud. Driving wil