> Not at ALL stupid. I'm FAR more interested in getting the specification
> list and the design set done than in picking a language.
I'm with Jenn on this one. I don't think we _can_ start to talk about a
language choice until we have a basic spec/design-goal for the project. I
mean, are we even
On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Jenn V. wrote:
> I had not intended to stereotype, and I /definately/ was not intending to
> slur a very valid and often appropriate programming method. But saying I
> can effectively program that way would be like saying I have brown eyes.
> Completely wrong. Not 'better' o
On Sun, 5 Dec 1999, Maureen Lecuona wrote:
> Let us not start stereotyping each other before we have all even met,
> okay?
>
> Just because some of the people want to use PYTHON, this does mean they
> are "prototypers".
Exactly.
> I will put out a preliminary specification document, and a desi
Some people have asked that I explain what project management software
does.
Project management software is used to track the tasks involved in managing an
ongoing project. It normally takes as its input these things:
1. the Tasks which compose a project (along with its relationship to other
Deirdre:
Would it be possible for you to put a mailing list for the project on
your machine or should I go elsewhere?
We need to move off issues@linuxchix for our project specs discussions,
unless we want to get bombarded with all kinds of noise when we start getting
serious...
Let me know ASAP
On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:05:46 -0800 (PST), Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>I agree. I find good design very hard to find, especially in the open
>source community. As I've been known to say, "in this bunch, software
>design is as popular as leprosy."
KDE seems especially prone to this.
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
>
> On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Jenn V. wrote:
>
> > I had not intended to stereotype, and I /definately/ was not intending to
> > slur a very valid and often appropriate programming method. But saying I
> > can effectively program that way would be like saying I have brown eyes
On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Maureen Lecuona wrote:
> Would it be possible for you to put a mailing list for the project on
> your machine or should I go elsewhere?
>
> We need to move off issues@linuxchix for our project specs discussions,
> unless we want to get bombarded with all kinds of noise when w
some links you guys might find useful..
linux PM software:
http://linas.org/linux/pm.html
PM software faq:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/proj-plan-faq/
an intresting webbased commericial PM package run by alot of companies..
that has a walkthough of thier product which may be useful during the "wtf
Thanks.
Maureen
curious wrote:
>
> some links you guys might find useful..
>
> linux PM software:
> http://linas.org/linux/pm.html
>
> PM software faq:
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/proj-plan-faq/
>
> an intresting webbased commericial PM package run by alot of companies..
> that has a walk
Kelly Lynn Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It probably also helps that a lot of the people in the open source
> community have little or no formal training. Design is not something
> that most people learn how to do on their own.
So what? Where would someone who's interested "learn" thes
On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Robert Kiesling wrote:
> Kelly Lynn Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > It probably also helps that a lot of the people in the open source
> > community have little or no formal training. Design is not something
> > that most people learn how to do on their own.
>
> So
Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Robert Kiesling wrote:
>
> > Kelly Lynn Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > It probably also helps that a lot of the people in the open source
> > > community have little or no formal training. Design is not something
>
It's a pretty huge part of our EECS (http://www.eecs.wsu.edu) program. A
whole 300 level undergraduate course devoted to it (one you would
probably take in your third or fourth semester in the program), and
those concepts are used throughout your undergrad "career" fairly
extensively. (especially
On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:17:42 -0500, Robert Kiesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
>So what? Where would someone who's interested "learn" these skills.
>How many EECS programs teach design?
My first undergrad school had classes in software engineering.
There's two types of CS, after all; EECS is th
Kelly Lynn Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My first undergrad school had classes in software engineering.
>
> There's two types of CS, after all; EECS is the "hack and slash"
> style, while (Math)CS is a more theoretical approach. Usually the
> character of the department is determined by
> Mmmm... their program looks interesting. Anyway, lots of design.
>
> Of course, I can't speak for every undergrad department ;o)
Actually it would be grad school, but I'm not certain that I'm
suited for PhD candidacy. :)
Robert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 20:47:32 -0500, Robert Kiesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
>There may be a third... that is based on information science, and
>that is what I've been considering, as another person said, on the
>character of the data, like text, images, musical scores... (though
>that descripti
On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Robert Kiesling wrote:
> There may be a third... that is based on information science, and that
> is what I've been considering, as another person said, on the
> character of the data, like text, images, musical scores... (though
> that description does not do justice to infor
Robert Kiesling wrote:
> Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Robert Kiesling wrote:
> >
> > > So what? Where would someone who's interested "learn" these skills.
> > > How many EECS programs teach design?
> >
> > It's pretty much learned in grad school (if you study
Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Robert Kiesling wrote:
>
> > There may be a third... that is based on information science, and that
> > is what I've been considering, as another person said, on the
> > character of the data, like text, images, musical scores...
> Robert Kiesling wrote:
> > Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Robert Kiesling wrote:
> > >
> > > > So what? Where would someone who's interested "learn" these skills.
> > > > How many EECS programs teach design?
> > >
> > > It's pretty much learned in grad sch
On Tue, 7 Dec 1999, Jenn V. wrote:
> 1. What's EECS?
Electrical Engineering/ Computer Science.
> 2. What's 'grad school'? (Bachelor's? Master's? Doctorate?)
Master's or Doctorate.
> 3. It was taught in my Bachelor's course (and taught, and drilled
> and trained...) to the point where it's ref
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
>
> Agreed. For example, I think that Open Source projects done by
> individuals will typically need less in the way of the design docs because
> there is no specific budget. Thus we an eliminate those parts of the
> typical spec that are the sales and finance pitch. :)
>
Robert Kiesling wrote:
> ... but on a more sophisticated level, it's better to give someone a
> model to emulate, then let them figure out for themselves how to
> arrive at the finished program, provided they know how to perform all
> of the necessary procedures (e.g., don't first throw the monit
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