Re: [issues] women in computing article

2000-04-14 Thread jenn
Caitlyn Máire Martin wrote: > > Hi, > > Dr. Moira Gunn had her > PhD eight years before I finished my undergraduate studies, so, like, women > have been doing this for how many years? How long ago did women reach > prominence in science and engineering, including CS? Off the top of my head: Ma

Re: [issues] women in computing article

2000-04-14 Thread Beverly Guillermo
On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Susannah Rosenberg wrote: > not to open up another can of worms, but what would you consider > developing a new OS to be -- MIS or CS? I'm not talking re-engineering > the Unix kernel (), I mean designing a new OS architechture from > scratch -- sort of like the folks at Bell

Re: [issues] women in computing article

2000-04-14 Thread Beverly Guillermo
On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Brendan Coffey wrote: > Computer science is an engineering endeavor. It still boggles me > that most universities don't teach their CS students the engineering > design process from an academic perspective. I never had a class where they've taught me the proper engineering

Re: [issues] women in computing article

2000-04-14 Thread Deirdre Saoirse
On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Susannah Rosenberg wrote: > not to open up another can of worms, but what would you consider > developing a new OS to be -- MIS or CS? I'm not talking re-engineering > the Unix kernel (), I mean designing a new OS architechture from > scratch -- sort of like the folks at Bell

Re: [issues] women in computing article

2000-04-14 Thread Susannah Rosenberg
Beverly Guillermo wrote: > > Computer Science, in my point of view, is supposed to be theoretical > aspects of computing. All practical applications is left to the IS majors > and everyone else. =) > > I actually like looking at the theories. I've got ideas on how to improve > things that aren

Re: [issues] women in computing article

2000-04-14 Thread Terri Oda
>I don't think hardware *is* taught on that level, though, at least not >within the guise of a *programming* class. What we learned in my basic >programming class (the first one a person would see entering the >curriculum) was what the difference between hardware and software was, >and how things

Re: [issues] women in computing article

2000-04-14 Thread Caitlyn Máire Martin
Hi, I can't really comment on universities today, since I finished up 20 years ago. (Yikes! I hate to admit that!) I still get surprised looks and comments when I tell people I studied physics. No one expects that a woman will have done that, even now, which is ridiculous. Dr. Moira Gunn had

Re: [issues] women in computing article

2000-04-14 Thread Brendan Coffey
> Computer Science, in my point of view, is supposed to be theoretical > aspects of computing. All practical applications is left to the IS majors > and everyone else. =) > Computer science is an engineering endeavor. It still boggles me that most universities don't teach their CS students the

Re: [issues] women in computing article

2000-04-14 Thread srl
On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote: > On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:22:17 -0500 (CDT), "Jenny Brown (was Gable)" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > >Just to clarify... so were the profs at uiuc... just that due to the > >students' responses, it had much more effect on the women. The guys > >igno

Re: [issues] women in computing article

2000-04-14 Thread Kelly Lynn Martin
On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:22:17 -0500 (CDT), "Jenny Brown (was Gable)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Just to clarify... so were the profs at uiuc... just that due to the >students' responses, it had much more effect on the women. The guys >ignored it better. Of course, that aspect of reality is not o

Re: [issues] women in computing article

2000-04-14 Thread Beverly Guillermo
Computer Science, in my point of view, is supposed to be theoretical aspects of computing. All practical applications is left to the IS majors and everyone else. =) I actually like looking at the theories. I've got ideas on how to improve things that aren't in development yet. On Thu, 13 Apr

Re: [issues] women in computing article

2000-04-14 Thread Jenny Brown (was Gable)
On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Janet Nabring wrote: > gender-bias as of yet. If a professor is going to be > a prick, he's a prick regardless... And the other Just to clarify... so were the profs at uiuc... just that due to the students' responses, it had much more effect on the women. The guys ignored

Re: [issues] women in computing article

2000-04-14 Thread Janet Nabring
I am still shaking my head over the idiots out there! That type of schooling sounds like a nightmare! When I started reading this, it was mainly because I am in the Chicago area and was interested to hear about programs other than the one I'm currently in... I've been at DePaul University over a

Re: [issues] women in computing article

2000-04-13 Thread Nicole Zimmerman
> By "mechanics of information technology" I suspect they mean hardware. I'm not so sure... wouldn't saying "mechanics of information technology and hardware" be redundant, then? > I only understand hardware at a vague, theoretical level. While it's > useful to understand what the hardware is

Re: [issues] women in computing article

2000-04-13 Thread Kelly Lynn Martin
On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:16:18 -0500 (CDT), "Jenny Brown (was Gable)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >On top of all that... there was a nearly fanatical focus on algorithm >development and backend systems, completely excluding project >management, web programming, user interfaces, graphics, database >f

Re: [issues] women in computing article

2000-04-13 Thread Kelly Lynn Martin
On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:39:43 -0700, Nicole Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Personally, give me quake3 anyday over an RPG... and why shouldn't >programming courses focus on mecahnics of information technology? >*how* information moves and how to make it move is what computer >science is, is i

Re: [issues] women in computing article

2000-04-13 Thread Jenny Brown (was Gable)
On Thu, 13 Apr 2000, Nicole Zimmerman wrote: > http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/04/11/girls.computer/index.html > > Apparently an AAUW (American Association of University Women) report > indicates that the way programming/computer-oriented courses are taught > is creating a major roadblock