Re: [issues] Despotic Demographics RANT (LONG)

1999-12-31 Thread Kathleen Weaver
I sympathize with the rant, because I am a super geek, married to a geek, fortunately most of the time, those who do know us know that I am the super geek At the same time, I've been put down more times than can be counted as an amateur radio operator, since I seem to be one of the very few wome

Re: [issues] Despotic Demographics RANT (LONG)

1999-12-31 Thread Robert Kiesling
Kelly Lynn Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What I find truly amazing is that Rand was female. Why? Females are just as capable of being facists as men are. Historically, the record is dominated by males, however. Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org

Re: [issues] Despotic Demographics RANT (LONG)

1999-12-31 Thread Kelly Lynn Martin
On Fri, 31 Dec 1999 15:45:43 -0500, Robert Kiesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Excuse me for butting in. I think that philosophy he's describing is >called "positivism," which does not allow credit for rational >choices. I think Ayn Rand popularized it (probably in the previous >millenium, by

Re: [issues] Despotic Demographics RANT (LONG)

1999-12-31 Thread Robert Kiesling
"Caitlyn Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In the most carefully controlled environment, with nothing left to chance, > any given > > organism will do exactly as it damn well pleases > > This is immutable? Unchangeable? I thought you were promoting the idea of > education. If this last

Re: [issues] Despotic Demographics RANT (LONG)

1999-12-31 Thread Caitlyn Martin
Hi, > > > I am a geek who has answered the phone and been asked to pass the > > caller on to 'someone who understands technical matters'. > > That sucks. Yep, and Jenn is hardly unique. Some of our male peers in the field also encourage this attitude, or practice it themselves. > > > I am a geek

Re: [issues] Despotic Demographics RANT (LONG)

1999-12-28 Thread Jenn V.
Simon Britnell wrote: > > > More meat for the issues FAQ. > > FAQ The fullstop was for the end of the sentence. > What I'm saying is that trying to remedy this by shoe-horning more females into geek > roles is a broken thing to do. For a start, it undermines peoples individuality, > yours i

Re: [issues] Despotic Demographics RANT (LONG)

1999-12-28 Thread Simon Britnell
"Jenn V." wrote: > Simon Britnell wrote: > > ... etc ... > > On behalf of the part of that aren't enough, I'm > > appalled. > > More meat for the issues FAQ. FAQ > I am also a geek. I also dislike team sports. > > BUT. I am a geek with large breasts, a lack of penis, long blonde > hair and

Re: [issues] Despotic Demographics RANT

1999-12-27 Thread Deirdre Saoirse
On Fri, 24 Dec 1999, Simon Britnell wrote: > > I frequently see self-styled minority / oppressed groups complaining about > demographic issues. Yeah, well, you're a guy. 'Nuff said. And probably white and probably not suffering from any major handicaps. There are reasons of socialization that

Re: [issues] Despotic Demographics RANT

1999-12-25 Thread Robert Kiesling
On Sat, 25 Dec 1999, Sunnanvind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 24 Dec 1999, Robert Kiesling wrote: > > Sunnanvind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > (which isn't really a minority group but treated like one) > > > > I thought women were the majority (from a U.S. perspective, at least).

Re: [issues] Despotic Demographics RANT

1999-12-25 Thread Sunnanvind
On Fri, 24 Dec 1999, Robert Kiesling wrote: > Sunnanvind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > (which isn't really a minority group but treated like one) > > I thought women were the majority (from a U.S. perspective, at least). Er... wasn't that what I meant? Sunnan -- http://home.swipnet.se/sunnan

Re: [issues] Despotic Demographics RANT

1999-12-24 Thread curious
I can understand that alot of people want to just "blow off" posts like this... however sometimes these aren't "flame baits"... alot of guys don't (looks halfway to the mirror :) ) issues women face. They want to understand atleast where your comming from... and places where issues that are raised

Re: [issues] Despotic Demographics RANT

1999-12-24 Thread Robert Kiesling
Sunnanvind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (which isn't really a minority group but treated like one) I thought women were the majority (from a U.S. perspective, at least). Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org

Re: [issues] Despotic Demographics RANT

1999-12-23 Thread Jenn V.
Simon Britnell wrote: > > > I frequently see self-styled minority / oppressed groups complaining about > demographic issues. > eg: > > There aren't enough using Linux. > There aren't enough in the IT industry. > > On behalf of the part of that aren't enough, I'm > appalled. More meat for t

Re: [issues] Despotic Demographics RANT

1999-12-23 Thread Sunnanvind
On Thu, 23 Dec 1999, Simon Britnell wrote: > > If someone can give me a good reason why the numbers should matter more than the > individual, I'll be glad to listen. You've got some points, however: women must be welcomed into IT with open arms. Men must be welcomed into nursing with open arms

Re: [issues] Despotic Demographics RANT

1999-12-23 Thread Caitlyn M. Martin
Simon Britnell wrote: > > I frequently see self-styled minority / oppressed groups complaining about > demographic issues. > eg: > > There aren't enough using Linux. > There aren't enough in the IT industry. > > On behalf of the part of that aren't enough, I'm > appalled. Ah yes, the usual w

[issues] Despotic Demographics RANT

1999-12-23 Thread Simon Britnell
I frequently see self-styled minority / oppressed groups complaining about demographic issues. eg: There aren't enough using Linux. There aren't enough in the IT industry. On behalf of the part of that aren't enough, I'm appalled. Here's why: I'm a geek and I hate "team sports" but accordi