Re: [issues] UF demonstrates "guy club" well...

1999-01-02 Thread Steve Kudlak
Dakota Surmonde wrote: > On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, J B wrote: > > > dish the graveyard off on Miranda because she is a woman, I think it is > > in part -- but pitr specifically says 'she is evil and belongs to the > night' (now if memory serves, he says the same thing when he meets her, > because she

Re: [issues] alienation (was: Places, issues, etc)

1999-01-02 Thread Kelly Lynn Martin
On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:46:32 -0500 (EST), Cat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >I have the power ... if *GraySkull*!!! Ha, ha. I loved He-man and >She-ra when I was little, although I like She-ra better because se >was a girl. What was BattleCat's name when he wasn't BattleCat? And >what was it that

Re: [issues] UF demonstrates "guy club" well...

1999-01-02 Thread Dakota Surmonde
On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, J B wrote: > dish the graveyard off on Miranda because she is a woman, I think it is in part -- but pitr specifically says 'she is evil and belongs to the night' (now if memory serves, he says the same thing when he meets her, because she groks unix) so I think the gender is

Re: [issues] UF demonstrates "guy club" well...

1999-01-02 Thread J B
Some background for people who don't read userfriendly: Miranda is an supergeek... very knowledgable, and female... now before I get lambbasted(b) I'll admit that they may be picking on her because a>she's newist or b>she isn't there to defend herself... (btw the thing that confuses me the mo

Re: [issues] UF demonstrates "guy club" well...

1999-01-02 Thread jenn
curious wrote: > > I've never realy understood why men (usualy subconciously) > continuiously group together against women... > Women often times seem to get unessarly marked as "the other"... > which is something that realy irks me at times, because we are all > people... I do b

[issues] Toys (was alienation)

1999-01-02 Thread Terri Oda
> But I also liked My little ponies, and Barbies to some extent. I was a > my little pony freak. :) I played He-man and voltron, and "little dolls" > as well as my little ponies with my brother. That's what brothers are > for, so you have an excuse to play with the cool toys... :) My little

[issues] UF demonstrates "guy club" well...

1999-01-02 Thread curious
More babbles from curious :) this is mostdefinatly on topic :) btw: if there is no "RE:" in the subject of my message and don't like reading random views by some freak male... please skip said messages :) (press "d" in pine :) ) and if you want to have fodder to use against me if I ever run for p

Re: [issues] alienation (was: Places, issues, etc)

1999-01-02 Thread jenn
>When I was 9-12 years old (late 70's, early 80's),.. >Maybe the social consequences for being a geek are worse for women than for >men. The male geeks were pretty marginalized in high school, but beyond >that they found this whole male-centered geek culture waiting for them... >The women ki

Re: [issues] Something I have observed

1999-01-02 Thread Marlene E. Morley
On Thu, 4 Nov 1999, Scott Strobele wrote: >On Tue, 2 Nov 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Constructive bitchiness. And a willingness to take the word 'bitch' as a >> compliment. >> (Oh? You're saying I've learned not to defer to assholes? Why thank you!) > >bitch? >BITCH?!? > >B abe >I n >T ota

Re: [issues] alienation (was: Places, issues, etc)

1999-01-02 Thread Cat
On Thu, 4 Nov 1999, Cat wrote: > On Thu, 4 Nov 1999, Di Gregory wrote: > > > > > > > > I ended up being a Transformer for Halloween (Voltron, specifically :), > > > and ended up being teased even more.. this is probably when I started > > > > Hey! Voltron wasn't a transformer... Transformers

Re: [issues] alienation (was: Places, issues, etc)

1999-01-02 Thread Nico Hailey
On Thu, Nov 04, 1999 at 11:34:25AM -0800, Amber Fechko wrote: > > This reminds me of myself. :) When I was younger, I absolutely > /loved/ the Transformers, both the comic books and the TV series. I'd get > up to watch it with my brother.. all the while being teased by both my > parents and my

Re: [issues] alienation (was: Places, issues, etc)

1999-01-02 Thread Cat
On Thu, 4 Nov 1999, Di Gregory wrote: > > > > I ended up being a Transformer for Halloween (Voltron, specifically :), > > and ended up being teased even more.. this is probably when I started > > Hey! Voltron wasn't a transformer... Transformers I thought were kind of > dumb because they were

Re: [issues] alienation (was: Places, issues, etc)

1999-01-02 Thread Di Gregory
> I ended up being a Transformer for Halloween (Voltron, specifically :), > and ended up being teased even more.. this is probably when I started Hey! Voltron wasn't a transformer... Transformers I thought were kind of dumb because they were easy to figure out how it transformed. Voltron was

Re: [issues] alienation (was: Places, issues, etc)

1999-01-02 Thread Amber Fechko
On Thu, 4 Nov 1999, Deidre L. Calarco wrote: > When I was 9-12 years old (late 70's, early 80's), I used to love comic > books, especially Batman. I got teased mercilessly about it by my parents > and their friends. Finally, I stopped reading them. I still liked them, but > people had made i

Re: [issues] alienation (was: Places, issues, etc)

1999-01-02 Thread Janus
At 09:56 AM 11/04/1999 -0500, you wrote: > >When I was 9-12 years old (late 70's, early 80's),.. >Maybe the social consequences for being a geek are worse for women than for >men. The male geeks were pretty marginalized in high school, but beyond >that they found this whole male-centered geek

Re: [issues] alienation (was: Places, issues, etc)

1999-01-02 Thread Deidre L. Calarco
> There is a curious thing about electronic communication for me. One is that, > for some unknown reason it became ingrained in my head as very informal.. Ask > Sherry Turtle. :) For example my zine writing often ends up too formal, in an > environment where informality is treasured. My record rev

Re: [issues] Automatic associations

1999-01-02 Thread Terri Oda
> Yeahyou're not the only one -- it's surprising (or maybe not) how many > people, when confronted with white skin over asian bone structure, think > (and say, aregh) 'down's syndrome' -- i still get the comment from time to > time, but never *after* I open my mouth and my friends all think >

Re: [issues] alienation (was: Places, issues, etc)

1999-01-02 Thread Steve Kudlak
Kelly Lynn Martin wrote: > On Thu, 04 Nov 1999 10:07:27 -0500, Steve Kudlak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > >In fact I am one of the sloppiest English writers known Especially > >when I am tired. SPell corrector what's that? So have fun and > >enjoy. Even if it turns into surrealistic poetry at t

[issues] Something I have observed

1999-01-02 Thread Scott Strobele
On Tue, 2 Nov 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Constructive bitchiness. And a willingness to take the word 'bitch' as a > compliment. > (Oh? You're saying I've learned not to defer to assholes? Why thank you!) bitch? BITCH?!? B abe I n T otal C ontrol of H erself/Himself This is an acronym, yo

Re: [issues] alienation (was: Places, issues, etc)

1999-01-02 Thread Kelly Lynn Martin
On Thu, 04 Nov 1999 10:07:27 -0500, Steve Kudlak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >In fact I am one of the sloppiest English writers known Especially >when I am tired. SPell corrector what's that? So have fun and >enjoy. Even if it turns into surrealistic poetry at times!!!. Ever consider that this mig

Re: [issues] alienation (was: Places, issues, etc)

1999-01-02 Thread Steve Kudlak
J B wrote: > >I'm new to this list, and have been lurking for a week or so. This >is my > >first post, though. I'm not a native English speaker (I'm a >Swedish > >speaking Finn, just like Linus :-) so please forgive me if I >abuse your > >language ;-) > > Welcome! Don't worry about abusing the

Re: [issues] alienation (was: Places, issues, etc)

1999-01-02 Thread Deidre L. Calarco
> I was talking with some of my FTM geek friends about ID'ing with > women-born-women geeks. He and I both shared stories of having to > fight the "boys" for time on the machines at school (during the > mid eighties, when small schools were lucky to have 4 apple ]['s), > and of having not been all

Re: [issues] alienation (was: Places, issues, etc)

1999-01-02 Thread J B
>I'm new to this list, and have been lurking for a week or so. This >is my >first post, though. I'm not a native English speaker (I'm a >Swedish >speaking Finn, just like Linus :-) so please forgive me if I >abuse your >language ;-) Welcome! Don't worry about abusing the language...there ar

Re: [issues] alienation (was: Places, issues, etc)

1999-01-02 Thread Jeanette Heidenberg
Hi everybody! I'm new to this list, and have been lurking for a week or so. This is my first post, though. I'm not a native English speaker (I'm a Swedish speaking Finn, just like Linus :-) so please forgive me if I abuse your language ;-) I really enjoy reading the views on female geek issues,