Anthony,
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 5:55 PM
> To: Anatol Belski
> Cc: Pierre Joye ; Scott Arciszewski
> ; Niklas Keller ; Trevor Suarez
> ; PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV
iszewski
>> ; Niklas Keller ; Trevor Suarez
>> ; PHP internals
>> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Recap - Core functions throwing exceptions in PHP7
>>
>> Pierre
>>
>> On Aug 21, 2015 22:33, "Pierre Joye" wrote:
>> >
>> > On Sat, Aug 22
ubject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Recap - Core functions throwing exceptions in PHP7
>
> There has been quite extensive discussion on this topic. Apart from 30
> comments on the original PR for this, there are 100 mails across three topics
> discussing this issue. As far as I can discern, there was
Hi Anthony,
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 4:44 AM
> To: Pierre Joye
> Cc: Anatol Belski ; Scott Arciszewski
> ; Niklas Keller ; Trevor Suarez
> ; PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV
On 22.08.2015 at 03:02, Pierre Joye wrote:
> On Aug 22, 2015 7:39 AM, "Christoph Becker" wrote:
>>
>> On 21.08.2015 at 12:14, Scott Arciszewski wrote:
>>
>>> 2. One of the folks in the camp that WANTS an RFC and a drawn out
>>> formal decision-making process opens it with a poll.
>>
>> AIUI, that
>;
> > Niklas Keller ; PHP Internals
> > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Recap - Core functions throwing exceptions in PHP7
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 6:14 AM, Scott Arciszewski
> > wrote:
> > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 3:52 AM, Pierre Joye
> wrote:
> > &
On Aug 22, 2015 9:33 AM, "Pierre Joye" wrote:
>
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Anthony Ferrara
wrote:
>
> > If that's what it will take I will happily draft one tomorrow morning.
But
> > if the RMs are against it, I will respect that as well. Hence the
dilemma.
>
> For what I understand the R
Pierre
On Aug 21, 2015 22:33, "Pierre Joye" wrote:
>
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Anthony Ferrara
wrote:
>
> > If that's what it will take I will happily draft one tomorrow morning.
But
> > if the RMs are against it, I will respect that as well. Hence the
dilemma.
>
> For what I understand
On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Anthony Ferrara wrote:
> If that's what it will take I will happily draft one tomorrow morning. But
> if the RMs are against it, I will respect that as well. Hence the dilemma.
For what I understand the RMs are not against what it is proposed but
its incompletene
gt; >> > To: Scott Arciszewski
> > >> > Cc: Pierre Joye ; Trevor Suarez
> > >> > ;
> > >> > Niklas Keller ; PHP Internals
> > >> >
> > >> > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Recap - Core functions throwing exceptions in
-Original Message-
> >> > From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> >> > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 3:37 PM
> >> > To: Scott Arciszewski
> >> > Cc: Pierre Joye ; Trevor Suarez
> >> > ;
> >> > Niklas Keller ; PH
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 3:37 PM
>> > To: Scott Arciszewski
>> > Cc: Pierre Joye ; Trevor Suarez
>> > ;
>> > Niklas Keller ; PHP Internals
>> > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Recap - Core functions throwing exceptions in
>> > PHP7
>> >
>>
Trevor Suarez ;
> > Niklas Keller ; PHP Internals
> > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Recap - Core functions throwing exceptions in
PHP7
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 6:14 AM, Scott Arciszewski
> > wrote:
> > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 3:52 AM, Pierre Joye
wrote:
&g
On Aug 22, 2015 7:39 AM, "Christoph Becker" wrote:
>
> On 21.08.2015 at 12:14, Scott Arciszewski wrote:
>
> > 2. One of the folks in the camp that WANTS an RFC and a drawn out
> > formal decision-making process opens it with a poll.
>
> AIUI, that is not how it is supposed to work. Those who want
On 21.08.2015 at 12:14, Scott Arciszewski wrote:
> 2. One of the folks in the camp that WANTS an RFC and a drawn out
> formal decision-making process opens it with a poll.
AIUI, that is not how it is supposed to work. Those who want to change
existing behavior should make a respective RFC, if co
Hi,
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 3:37 PM
> To: Scott Arciszewski
> Cc: Pierre Joye ; Trevor Suarez ;
> Niklas Keller ; PHP Internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Recap - Core functions throwi
On 08/21/2015 06:36 AM, Anthony Ferrara wrote:
> My proposal/stance:
>
> Let's make random_* throw an Exception if it cannot connect to a
> random source. And let's have it throw an TypeError if ZPP fails, or
> Error if min >= max.
>
> The first two are consistent with existing exceptions.
I don
Hi,
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Anthony Ferrara wrote:
>
> MHO is this is too important of a distinction to simply gloss over.
> Having it return false (or null) will be a problem, as nobody will
> perform the error checks. And returning $x where `$x == 0` in a
> security context could be in
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 6:14 AM, Scott Arciszewski wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 3:52 AM, Pierre Joye wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Scott Arciszewski
>> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Trevor Suarez wrote:
Ah, I didn't realize this thread existed. I had just c
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 3:52 AM, Pierre Joye wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Scott Arciszewski
> wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Trevor Suarez wrote:
>>> Ah, I didn't realize this thread existed. I had just commented on the old
>>> one, but the point still stands:
>>>
>>>
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Scott Arciszewski wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Trevor Suarez wrote:
>> Ah, I didn't realize this thread existed. I had just commented on the old
>> one, but the point still stands:
>>
>> PHP 7.0 RC1 was just tagged.
>> Shouldn't this be a relatively
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Trevor Suarez wrote:
> Ah, I didn't realize this thread existed. I had just commented on the old
> one, but the point still stands:
>
> PHP 7.0 RC1 was just tagged.
> Shouldn't this be a relatively high priority to fix/decide so we don't end
> up with behavior tha
Ah, I didn't realize this thread existed. I had just commented on the old
one, but the point still stands:
PHP 7.0 RC1 was just tagged.
Shouldn't this be a relatively high priority to fix/decide so we don't end
up with behavior that can't be fixed until PHP 8.0?
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 6:54 PM Ni
>
> Okay, great, we have people on both sides on this discussion. I hope
> nobody minds if I sit this part out.
>
> What specifics need to be discussed? Should somebody set up a poll? (I
> don't know how to do that.)
You can find information on how to setup a poll in step 6 here:
https://wiki.php
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 4:52 AM, Niklas Keller wrote:
> Scott, could you setup a RFC with a vote, so we can decide?
>
> Nikita proposed those two options:
>
>> 1) Error is to be used in cases where an error is attributable to
>> programmer mistake.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2) Error signifies a failure condition
> On Aug 6, 2015, at 3:52 AM, Niklas Keller wrote:
>
> Scott, could you setup a RFC with a vote, so we can decide?
>
> Nikita proposed those two options:
>
>> 1) Error is to be used in cases where an error is attributable to
>> programmer mistake.
>>
>
>
>> 2) Error signifies a failure cond
Scott, could you setup a RFC with a vote, so we can decide?
Nikita proposed those two options:
1) Error is to be used in cases where an error is attributable to
> programmer mistake.
>
2) Error signifies a failure condition that the programmer is discouraged
> (and unlikely to want) to handle.
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 00:55 Scott Arciszewski wrote:
All,
I'd like to move the conversation towards a decision regarding PRs
1397 and 1398. These decisions are blocking random_compat as well as a
security enhancement to random_bytes (merge conflicts are *the
worst*).
Here's a quick recap
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