Re: [Int-area] Continuing the addressing discussion: what is an address anyway?

> On 25 Jan 2022, at 6:19 pm, Dirk Trossen > wrote: > > All, > > Thanks for the great discussion, following our side meeting at IETF 112, so > far. > > I wanted to turn the discussion to a key question which not only arose in the > side meeting already but also in the discussions since,

Re: [Int-area] Where/How is the features innovation, happening? Re: 202201250721.AYC

Hi, YiHao: 0)    Re: Ur. Pt. 0): Correct. However, the Caller-ID terminology was introduced when the caller's name was displayed on Called's phone. So, when only b) is shown, it is at best a subset, or the minor part, of the Caller-ID service. 1)    Re: Ur. Pt. 1): Why do you need a way to c

Re: [Int-area] Continuing the addressing discussion: what is an address anyway?

On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 3:38 AM Geoff Huston wrote: > > > > > On 25 Jan 2022, at 6:19 pm, Dirk Trossen > > wrote: > > > > All, > > > > Thanks for the great discussion, following our side meeting at IETF 112, so > > far. > > > > I wanted to turn the discussion to a key question which not only ar

Re: [Int-area] Continuing the addressing discussion: what is an address anyway?

There is both a topological view of an address and a protocol view. The topological view is some place in the network, be that a node or an interface. The protocol view is that it is an instruction, for example to deliver the packet to the place identified by the address field lookup. In IP thi

Re: [Int-area] Continuing the addressing discussion: what is an address anyway?

> On 26 Jan 2022, at 5:17 am, Tom Herbert wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 3:38 AM Geoff Huston wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 25 Jan 2022, at 6:19 pm, Dirk Trossen >>> wrote: >>> >>> All, >>> >>> Thanks for the great discussion, following our side meeting at IETF 112, so >>> far. >>> >>> I

Re: [Int-area] Continuing the addressing discussion: what is an address anyway?

> On 26 Jan 2022, at 5:47 am, Stewart Bryant wrote: > > There is both a topological view of an address and a protocol view. > > The topological view is some place in the network, be that a node or an > interface. > > The protocol view is that it is an instruction, for example to deliver the

Re: [Int-area] Continuing the addressing discussion: what is an address anyway?

On 26-Jan-22 08:30, Geoff Huston wrote: ... Tom, I think you may have missed my initial characterisation of IP addresses in your response: "we treat addresses as no more than temporary ephemeral _session_ tokens” i.e. the NAT model relies on session level stability of the NAT association. Ri

Re: [Int-area] Continuing the addressing discussion: what is an address anyway?

> The IAB feels that this is unfortunate, and that the transition to > IPv6 would be an ideal occasion to provide upper layer end-to-end > protocols with temporally unique identifiers. The exact nature of > these identifiers requires further study." So if the IAB, or the community at large, feels

Re: [Int-area] Continuing the addressing discussion: what is an address anyway?

On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 11:30 AM Geoff Huston wrote: > > > > > On 26 Jan 2022, at 5:17 am, Tom Herbert wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 3:38 AM Geoff Huston wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> On 25 Jan 2022, at 6:19 pm, Dirk Trossen > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> All, > >>> > >>> Thanks for the great

Re: [Int-area] Continuing the addressing discussion: what is an address anyway?

[copy architecture-discuss] Geoff, This is a pretty good characterization.  In fact, it's exactly where we went in the NSRG nearly 20 years ago, just after MO first kicked out 8+8.  For people's reference, we looked at naming at different levels, including at L3, in DNS, URNs (which were rela