Re: [Int-area] Where/How is the features innovation happening?

2021-12-20 Thread Jiayihao
Hello Tom, The privacy countermeasure for IPv4/IPv6 is interestingly different. IPv4 usually utilize CGNAT, i.e., M(hosts)-to-N(IPs), where M >> N so that the host could remain anonymous IPv6 usually utilize Temporary address, i.e., 1(host)-to-M(IPs[at least suffix level]), where M >> 1 so that

Re: [Int-area] Where/How is the features innovation happening?

2021-12-20 Thread Dirk Trossen
Jumping into this late (due to a few days off), see inline. -Original Message- From: Int-area [mailto:int-area-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian E Carpenter Sent: 18 December 2021 20:51 To: Stewart Bryant ; Geoff Huston Cc: Int-area@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Int-area] Where/How is the fea

Re: [Int-area] Where/How is the features innovation happening?

2021-12-20 Thread Dirk Trossen
Just as a thought: how much is this discussion led by the use of Internet technologies for the public Internet vs use of Internet technologies for non-public use or limited domains (or even something we may consider future versions of the 'public internet')? In other words, is this trend to cen

Re: [Int-area] Where/How is the features innovation happening?

2021-12-20 Thread Jiayihao
Sourceless Network Architecture or proposals that related are quite an vivid example of innovation expected to be happened. Challenges are how/where the proposals at such architectural level could happen at current Internet? (which is expected to be pervasive IPv6 but still dominated by IPv4) G

Re: [Int-area] Where/How is the features innovation happening?

2021-12-20 Thread Alexandre Petrescu
Le 20/12/2021 à 10:44, Jiayihao a écrit : Sourceless Network Architecture or proposals that related are quite an vivid example of innovation expected to be happened. Challenges are how/where the proposals at such architectural level could happen at current Internet? (which is expected to be pe

Re: [Int-area] [EXTERNAL] Re: IP parcels

2021-12-20 Thread Templin (US), Fred L
Joe, I will do my best to respond to your points in the following top posts; you may not like it but it is the best I can do: - You still haven’t shown any evidence that end systems need to do all this extra work so they can somehow run faster, nor that this will be noticeably faster than large

Re: [Int-area] [EXTERNAL] IP parcels

2021-12-20 Thread to...@strayalpha.com
Hi, Fred, You haven’t addressed my concerns. Comparing this to GRO/GSO (which are not mentioned in RFC9000) only highlights its challenges; GRO/GSO packs up to the existing path MTU, i.e., it’s for packets smaller than the path MTU; it never comes into play for protocols that send packets alre

Re: [Int-area] [EXTERNAL] Re: IP parcels

2021-12-20 Thread Tom Herbert
> > > The world is not just TCP anymore. QUIC and other UDP-based transports > have already > > shown performance increases using facilities like GSO/GRO which are > essentially a short > > term and non-standard implementation of what parcels promise to do in the > long term. > Fred, Can you expl

Re: [Int-area] Where/How is the features innovation happening?

2021-12-20 Thread Tom Herbert
On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 1:27 AM Jiayihao wrote: > > Hello Tom, > > > > The privacy countermeasure for IPv4/IPv6 is interestingly different. > > IPv4 usually utilize CGNAT, i.e., M(hosts)-to-N(IPs), where M >> N so that > the host could remain anonymous > > IPv6 usually utilize Temporary address,

Re: [Int-area] Where/How is the features innovation happening?

2021-12-20 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 20-Dec-21 22:35, Dirk Trossen wrote: Jumping into this late (due to a few days off), see inline. -Original Message- From: Int-area [mailto:int-area-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian E Carpenter Sent: 18 December 2021 20:51 To: Stewart Bryant ; Geoff Huston Cc: Int-area@ietf.org Su

Re: [Int-area] IP parcels

2021-12-20 Thread Templin (US), Fred L
Tom, sorry I will try to use my words more carefully; I am using GSO/GRO also for a UDP-based transport protocol – not QUIC but something similar. I like GSO/GRO very much; I am glad the service is available and I want to see it continue. But, my understanding of the services is that they leverag

Re: [Int-area] Where/How is the features innovation happening?

2021-12-20 Thread Alexandre Petrescu
Le 18/12/2021 à 23:47, Brian E Carpenter a écrit : On 19-Dec-21 11:34, Dino Farinacci wrote:  From a user perspective, the choice is clear: privacy and security are top requirements. We know that payload encryption goes a long way, and hopefully encryption of the transport layer headers will b

Re: [Int-area] Where/How is the features innovation happening?

2021-12-20 Thread Alexandre Petrescu
Le 18/12/2021 à 15:49, Dino Farinacci a écrit : Let’s just see if the Gen-Z, web3.0, blockchain, and metaverse generation can make pure decentralized peer-to-peer come to reality. I would say too to look at these ^ directions. It might be that we head towards a world where most things are 's

Re: [Int-area] IP parcels

2021-12-20 Thread Tom Herbert
On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 12:03 PM Templin (US), Fred L < fred.l.temp...@boeing.com> wrote: > Tom, sorry I will try to use my words more carefully; I am using GSO/GRO > also for > > a UDP-based transport protocol – not QUIC but something similar. I like > GSO/GRO > > very much; I am glad the service

Re: [Int-area] IP parcels

2021-12-20 Thread Alexandre Petrescu
Le 19/12/2021 à 20:53, to...@strayalpha.com a écrit : Hi, Fred (et al.), On Dec 19, 2021, at 10:21 AM, Templin (US), Fred L mailto:fred.l.temp...@boeing.com>> wrote: Joe, your insistence on using html makes it impossible to respond to all of your points inline which is the reason for my t

Re: [Int-area] IP parcels

2021-12-20 Thread Templin (US), Fred L
Tom, in modern reassembly it is not going to wait for the MSL for all fragments to arrive anymore; either they all get there after a very small inter-fragment delay, or you send an immediate FRAGREP and possibly also a PTB soft error then quickly declare the reassembly dead if that doesn’t help. An

Re: [Int-area] IP parcels

2021-12-20 Thread Tom Herbert
On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 3:11 PM Templin (US), Fred L < fred.l.temp...@boeing.com> wrote: > Tom, in modern reassembly it is not going to wait for the MSL for all > fragments > > to arrive anymore; either they all get there after a very small > inter-fragment > > delay, or you send an immediate FRAG