ure of: it will be something wireless.
Peace,
Raymond
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From: Taylor, Johnny [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 1:07 PM
To: Anthony Atkielski; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Kevin Clements (E-mail); Kevin Lampkin (E-mail); Raymond Cutts
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On Wed, 05 Jul 2000 15:26:13 +0200, Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > I'd have to disagree there. The 8 million non-WAP users
> > in Japan are unarguably enjoying the most prolific, robust,
> > and deep wireless Internet available today.
>
> We still have more than five billion use
> I'd have to disagree there. The 8 million non-WAP users
> in Japan are unarguably enjoying the most prolific, robust,
> and deep wireless Internet available today.
We still have more than five billion users who aren't even online yet. They
haven't enjoyed anything thus far.
> I concur with you on the point of land optics
> however the average person requires remote and
> mobile access to their corporate networks,
> intra-nets, extra-nets, and value-added-networks.
The average person doesn't use any of these networks, and so does not
require access to them. There ar
"Taylor, Johnny" wrote:
In addition to this point I would
like to also state WAP is the front runner in regards to linking
wireless apps to the Global Internet and her sub-nets.
I'd have to disagree there. The 8 million non-WAP users in Japan are unarguably
enjoying the most prolific, robust, an
I like that close!
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From: Gilbert Cattoire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 1:12 PM
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At 18:29 +0200 29/06/00, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
>I don't understand why
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> thats why intelsat and a cosortium of telcos has
> a charity that built a box that is solar powered
> and provides n gsm phones ac
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From: Graham Klyne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 05 July 2000 17:59
To: Vernon Schryver
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 07:22
At 07:22 PM 7/4/00 -0600, Vernon Schryver wrote:
>If you are only using your cell phone screen for text messages, why
>do you need WAP?
You don't.
(My phone isn't a WAP phone, but it does do SMS.)
#g
Graham Klyne
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> > Well, 10 million Japanese, and growing by 20,000 every DAY.
>
> Only 100 million more to go.
>
> The Japanese, however, have a passion for highly miniaturized gadgets, so
> I'm not sure that they are representative.
>
> Personally, I don't even have a laptop, mainly because I find laptops so
>
> Well, 10 million Japanese, and growing by 20,000 every DAY.
Only 100 million more to go.
The Japanese, however, have a passion for highly miniaturized gadgets, so
I'm not sure that they are representative.
Personally, I don't even have a laptop, mainly because I find laptops so
incredibly clu
Graham Klyne wrote:
> At 07:12 PM 6/30/00 +0200, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> >Why use SMS instead of just voice?
> >
> >Has anyone considered the ergonomics of WAP? Even if it works perfectly,
> >how many people are willing to work on a screen smaller than a credit card?
Well, 10 million Japane
> But I have been astonished by the degree of adoption of SMS (in UK) by
> school children who purchase their own pre-pay mobile phones (for about
> $50-100). SMS may be awkward, but the per-use cost is is very low, and
> totally predictable. And the users in this case soon learn to handle
At 07:12 PM 6/30/00 +0200, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
>Why use SMS instead of just voice?
>
>Has anyone considered the ergonomics of WAP? Even if it works perfectly,
>how many people are willing to work on a screen smaller than a credit card?
>How many people are capable of touch-typing on a keyboa
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:12:26 +0200, Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > Anyway, I have a really good instinct for picking technology winners, and
> > thus far I put WAP in the same category as MiniDiscs, bubble memory, color
> > fax machines, and quadrapho
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Valdis and Alan, you have a very valid point, infrastructure is not only
expensive but very time consuming. The engineering component (conf
On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:12:26 +0200, Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Anyway, I have a really good instinct for picking technology winners, and
> thus far I put WAP in the same category as MiniDiscs, bubble memory, color
> fax machines, and quadraphonic sound. I think the growth area
> thats why intelsat and a cosortium of telcos has
> a charity that built a box that is solar powered
> and provides n gsm phones access + 1 64kbps uplink/
> downlink to geostatinary atellites
So that's what, 64/5 = 13 kbps per user? Even as current Internet designs
require ever more bandwidth a
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alan Simpkins t
yped:
>>Valdis, I agree with you a hundred percent. The most
>>expensive part of infrastructure is pulling the
>>cables/fiber necessary to build the infrastrucuture.
thats why intelsat and a cosortium of telcos has a charity that built
a box th
Valdis, I agree with you a hundred percent. The most
expensive part of infrastructure is pulling the
cables/fiber necessary to build the infrastrucuture.
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:41:37 +0200, Anthony
> Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > If they are that lacking
On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:41:37 +0200, Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> If they are that lacking in mere wires, they probably aren't in a position
> to profit from access to the Internet in the first place. That is, if they
> lack telephones (and that's all they need for broadband, or
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From: Anthony Atkielski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 12:42 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: WAP - What A Problem...
> For some countries it is more feasible for people to
> use mobile technology than to try to put in place the
&
> Do you mean that WAP is:
> - overhyped?
...
Rats. I thought he ment the bit about the frog genes gone awry.
Self-pollenating dino-phibs. Oh well, back to the data.
Cheers,
Eric
> But it would be a grave mistake to cease working on
> future developments while waiting for everyone to be
> able to share what we have now ...
It hasn't gotten as far as sharing. We don't even have the "old" stuff in
place and running, and already people want to replace it.
You know, I'd muc
> For some countries it is more feasible for people to
> use mobile technology than to try to put in place the
> fiber, and copper necessary to allow them to communicate
> using some of what might be called the more traditional
> methods.
If they are that lacking in mere wires, they probably aren
Date:Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:29:15 +0200
From:"Anthony Atkielski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <007201bfe1e7$2b9b5b80$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| I know it's not very sexy to drop the blue-sky toys, but doesn't anyone ever
| work on improving and democratizing existing in
> -Original Message-
> From: Alan Simpkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 2:04 PM
>
> This I can agree with, the next question that
> naturally follows then is is WAP the right protocol
> for a fixed wireless application, or are we talking
> about yet another s
Alan Simpkins wrote:
> This I can agree with, the next question that
> naturally follows then is is WAP the right protocol
> for a fixed wireless application,
I'm pretty sure it isn't--IIRC, fixed-wireless equipment gives
point-to-point links at something like T1 speed.
In addition, the fact th
This I can agree with, the next question that
naturally follows then is is WAP the right protocol
for a fixed wireless application, or are we talking
about yet another set of standards and protocols. I
would tend to
think that one set should work for both.
Regards, Alan
--- John Stracke <[EMAIL
Alan Simpkins wrote:
> For some countries it
> is more feasible for people to use mobile technology
But better still is fixed-wireless, which can deliver bandwidth
more cheaply, because you have more predictable signal
conditions. Unless you're talking about nomadic headers getting
online out i
Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> I know it's not very sexy to drop the blue-sky toys, but doesn't anyone ever
> work on improving and democratizing existing infrastructure
Well, sure. Improving--look at MPLS. Democratizing--there used to be (maybe
still is) an annual effort called Net Day, where vol
At 18:29 +0200 29/06/00, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
>I don't understand why so much effort is expended on things like WAP when
>99% of the real world still doesn't have any access at all to the Internet,
>much less wireless access. And even of those who do, most have such slow
>connections that eve
quot;Jon Crowcroft" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'IETF Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 09:10
> Subject: Re: WAP - What A Problem...
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>
> >
> > a technical discussion worth reading is at
> >
>
http:/
ot;Jon Crowcroft" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'IETF Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 09:10
Subject: Re: WAP - What A Problem...
>
> a technical discussion worth reading is at
> http://www.osopinion.com/Opinions/MikeBanahan/MikeBa
a technical discussion worth reading is at
http://www.osopinion.com/Opinions/MikeBanahan/MikeBanahan1.html
it would seeem (as i've suspected for a while) that the community in
charge of this development has the same problem as the guy who built
jurassic park - they haev no discipline, or underst
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