Re: Free 3270 emulator for Mac OS

2020-04-05 Thread Martin Packer
Note: xQuartz hasn’t been updated in FOREVER. While I use it, I’m nervous of this fact. (I use xQuartz and x3270 on Catalina, without problems, by the way.) Sent from my iPad > On 4 Apr 2020, at 17:38, Jack J. Woehr wrote: > > On 4/4/20 9:51 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >> I tried building x3270

Re: ESPIE question (does ESPIE "cover" ATTACH'd sub-tasks)

2020-04-05 Thread Peter Relson
Let's posit that ABENDing on the first such condition is not acceptable to user management. That is a bad thing to posit. That is an insane design in the absence of other information, unless by ABEND you also include "and the task terminates" (and I am assuming you are including "program chec

New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

2020-04-05 Thread Phil Smith III
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/new-jersey-cobol-coders-mainframes-coronavirus Reasonably bad article but kinda funny/ironic/something. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists.

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

2020-04-05 Thread Seymour J Metz
Compare the picture with the text. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Phil Smith III [li...@akphs.com] Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 10:22 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LIS

Re: Free 3270 emulator for Mac OS

2020-04-05 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 08:33:41 +, Martin Packer wrote: > >Note: xQuartz hasn’t been updated in FOREVER. While I use it, I’m nervous >of this fact. (I use xQuartz and x3270 on Catalina, without problems, by >the way.) > So XQuartz is 64-bit. Is X11 gaining features that would require support in a

Re: Free 3270 emulator for Mac OS

2020-04-05 Thread Joe Monk
Actually its not. https://github.com/XQuartz/XQuartz/issues/10 Joe On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 10:09 AM Paul Gilmartin < 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 08:33:41 +, Martin Packer wrote: > > > >Note: xQuartz hasn’t been updated in FOREVER. While I use i

Re: ESPIE question (does ESPIE "cover" ATTACH'd sub-tasks)

2020-04-05 Thread Seymour J Metz
My recollection is that catching '10'X and '11'X was only for ESPIE and was intended for use by IBM. One plausible use that comes to mind is guard pages for segmented stacks. BTW, what is the status if you do a LINK while a SPIE is active? The documentation has several references to RBs. -- S

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

2020-04-05 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
A friend just taught a COBOL course here in Australia. Some Oz banks and government agencies are recruiting younger folks for such roles. Lots of COBOL around. I wrote some COBOL in the past few days. DB2 stored procedure. Mow trying to get it working for Broadcom Datacom. Any one done that? Fetc

Wanted Civil programmers in New Jersey urgently

2020-04-05 Thread Laurence Chiu
it seems that the huge increase in benefit request in New Jersey is causing their benefit systems to be overloaded and not able to handle the volume of requests. It doesn't seem like a load issue but more the application needs to be changed. Otherwise you would just throw more MIPS at it https://

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

2020-04-05 Thread Bob Bridges
Says here "COBOL is a dead language that hasn't been taught in most universities for decades, and the rare COBOL coders command anywhere from $55 to $85 an hour". I'm reminded that five or ten years ago one of my sons heard my standard rant #37 about mainframes, and thought maybe he should learn t

Re: Wanted Civil programmers in New Jersey urgently

2020-04-05 Thread Martin Packer
I came to the opposite conclusion: I couldn't see why coding was required unless new function was DESPERATELY needed. The word in bold because that seems very risky - going around changing function at a time like this. And, because my lens is more-or-less performance, I thought making the appli

Re: ESPIE question (does ESPIE "cover" ATTACH'd sub-tasks)

2020-04-05 Thread Charles Mills
But what about the TP shortage? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2020 5:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ESPIE question (does ESPIE "cover" ATTACH'd sub-ta

Re: Wanted Civil programmers in New Jersey urgently

2020-04-05 Thread Gerhard adam
Most of it is BS.  Scratch the surface and you usually find capacity or performance issues around the Windows servers while the management blithely blames the mainframe because they don’t know how anything works. Get Outlook for iOS On

Re: ESPIE question (does ESPIE "cover" ATTACH'd sub-tasks)

2020-04-05 Thread Seymour J Metz
Eat more fibre. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Charles Mills [charl...@mcn.org] Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 3:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject

Re: ESPIE question (does ESPIE "cover" ATTACH'd sub-tasks)

2020-04-05 Thread Charles Mills
Don't want to beat this thing to death but FWIW I meant "ABEND" in the sense I hear it usually used: to abnormally end, to blow up, to go kaput. When someone says "payroll ABENDed last night" they typically in my experience don't mean it took an ESTAE exit and recovered transparently. They mean it

Re: Wanted Civil programmers in New Jersey urgently

2020-04-05 Thread Reg Harbeck
Hopefully it is a capacity issue and not programming, given Brooks’ law... - Reg Harbeck +1.403.605.7986 > On Apr 5, 2020, at 12:15, Martin Packer wrote: > > I came to the opposite conclusion: I couldn't see why coding was required > unless new function was DESPERATELY needed. The word in bol

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

2020-04-05 Thread Steve Thompson
I have asked and been told that various universities do not teach languages, they teach theory. So the students learn an object oriented language such as C++ or Java online(?). The statements made and questions asked of/by contract programmers (off shore) relative to COBOL — I believe it. Se

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

2020-04-05 Thread Gerhard adam
COBOL is not taught because those that know it can make a much better living using it than teaching college classes to people that believe it is “dead” Of course the latter opinion is stupid on the face of it.  After all, how does one replace systems that are not understood

Re: ESPIE question (does ESPIE "cover" ATTACH'd sub-tasks)

2020-04-05 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 12:24:40 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >Don't want to beat this thing to death but FWIW I meant "ABEND" in the sense >I hear it usually used: to abnormally end, to blow up, to go kaput. When >someone says "payroll ABENDed last night" they typically in my experience >don't mean it

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

2020-04-05 Thread Tony Thigpen
Today's programmers consider programs "throw-away" just like everything else. Hey also consider them multi-granular, where any piece can be plucked out and replaced without affecting anything else. This is derived from the OO programming model. (But, we know how models and real-world differ. Ju

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

2020-04-05 Thread Bob Bridges
That may be true to some extent. I haven't been to college (not counting working at one) in decades. But back then I was getting a degree in Accounting, and took ONE CLASS in programming - sounded boring, but I figured I should know something about computers. I was immediately hooked. We wro

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

2020-04-05 Thread scott Ford
Tony, Also the Agile framework and not the Waterfall model of SDLC. I have used both written Cobol and Assembler in both. My impression is everyone is ‘hurrying up and rushing code’. If your code is very modularized then I feel AGile is ok. Scott On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 5:42 PM Bob Bridges wrot

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

2020-04-05 Thread Bob Bridges
Ok, I was going to resist the temptation, but what the heck. Some of you may remember this joke from 20 years ago: Jack was a COBOL programmer in the late 1990s who (after years of being taken for granted and treated as a technological dinosaur by all the UNIX programmers and Client/Server pro

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

2020-04-05 Thread Seymour J Metz
To be fair, "any piece can be plucked out and replaced without affecting anything else." if there is a rigidly defined interface and the replacement complies absolutely. Of course, IRL someone invariably gets "pragmatic" (i.e., sloppy) and the inevitable ensues. "Alpha testing? That's what end u

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

2020-04-05 Thread Seymour J Metz
> Get Outlook for iOS We hates it precious, we hates it. It's as user hostile as gmail. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Gerhard adam [gada...@charter.ne

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

2020-04-05 Thread Seymour J Metz
IMHO they don't teach theory, they teach language du jour. We'd all be better off if they exposed students to a variety of radically different languages instead of just what's popular. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM M

FW: COBOL NJ

2020-04-05 Thread Seymour J Metz
-- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: Jack J. Woehr [j...@well.com] Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 6:40 PM To: Seymour J Metz Subject: COBOL NJ Suddenly my mail to IBM-MAIN is bouncing. Can someone please ask to the list to whom to a

Re: FW: COBOL NJ

2020-04-05 Thread Jack J. Woehr
Thanks,  volunteers on hand and waiting and I seem to be back on the list :) On 4/5/20 5:13 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: From: Jack J. Woehr [j...@well.com] Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 6:40 PM To: Seymour J Metz Subject: COBOL NJ Suddenly my mail to IBM-MAI

Re: Free 3270 emulator for Mac OS

2020-04-05 Thread Timothy Sipples
Seymour J. Metz wrote: >A few more notes on nomenclature. TN3270 and TN3270E (upper case) >are protocols published by the IETF; programs implimenting those >protocols are TN3270 clients, not TN3270 emulators. TN3270 clients >are not 3270 emulators, because they do not support any of the link >proto

Re: Wanted Civil programmers in New Jersey urgently

2020-04-05 Thread Mike Schwab
Well, the 3rd COVID19 bill included an extra $600 per week increase in benefits from federal sources. Should be able to change the formulae quick enough, then just multiply the number of checks by the $600 to transfer from the Feds. Actually I expect the problem to be a maxed out database or fill

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

2020-04-05 Thread Mike Schwab
Cobol IMS TELON job is paying 59-100K/year in Springfield IL, kind of a low wage. On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 2:09 PM Bob Bridges wrote: > > Says here "COBOL is a dead language that hasn't been taught in most > universities for decades, and the rare COBOL coders command anywhere from > $55 to $85 an h

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

2020-04-05 Thread Gabe Goldberg
Better article: https://freedomafterthesharks.com/2016/06/27/exactly-what-is-cobol-and-why-is-cobol-still-a-widely-used-language-in-it/ Phil Smith III said: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/new-jersey-cobol-coders-mainframes-coronavirus Reasonably bad article but kinda funny/ironic/someth

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

2020-04-05 Thread ITschak Mugzach
Believe it or not, Leipzig university (Germany) does teach cobol and mainframe. They even got one. ITschak בתאריך יום ב׳, 6 באפר׳ 2020, 0:54, מאת Bob Bridges ‏: > Ok, I was going to resist the temptation, but what the heck. Some of you > may remember this joke from 20 years ago: > > Jack was a