Today's programmers consider programs "throw-away" just like everything
else. Hey also consider them multi-granular, where any piece can be
plucked out and replaced without affecting anything else. This is
derived from the OO programming model. (But, we know how models and
real-world differ. Just look at how everyone over-optimized relational
databases to the point of collapse. Sometimes 2NF, or even 1NF is better
than 3NF for speed.)
Talk to a younger programmer about a "system" of programs such as an
"A/P batch job" and they just can't grasp it.
It's not just the language not being taught, it's the "works with
others" (as in my program with your program) that is foreign to the kids.
Tony Thigpen
Gerhard adam wrote on 4/5/20 4:12 PM:
COBOL is not taught because those that know it can make a much better living using it than teaching college classes to people that believe it is “dead”
Of course the latter opinion is stupid on the face of it. After all, how does
one replace systems that are not understood? From scratch? LOL
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On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 1:07 PM -0700, "Steve Thompson" <ste...@copper.net>
wrote:
I have asked and been told that various universities do not teach languages,
they teach theory. So the students learn an object oriented language such as
C++ or Java online(?).
The statements made and questions asked of/by contract programmers (off shore)
relative to COBOL — I believe it.
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On Apr 5, 2020, at 3:09 PM, Bob Bridges wrote:
Says here "COBOL is a dead language that hasn't been taught in most
universities for decades, and the rare COBOL coders command anywhere from
$55 to $85 an hour".
I'm reminded that five or ten years ago one of my sons heard my standard
rant #37 about mainframes, and thought maybe he should learn to work with
them (thinking it might lead to job security, in which I imagine he was not
entirely wrong). For a few weeks I called around trying to find out what it
would cost me to rent space for two accounts on an IBM mainframe somewhere.
My questions must have been repeated here and there, for eventually an IBM
guy called me and said if I could get the local university to teach a few
courses on mainframes, they'd have to rent space on a mainframe for the
students and IBM would ~give~ me two accounts so I could teach my son. I
did call one of the local universities, one I'd worked at for two years, but
couldn't drum up any interest.
The IBM guy also said that companies were getting so desperate for mainframe
trainees that they were sponsoring college courses their own selves, just so
they'd have someone they could hire later.
COBOL is by no means a "dead language", in any practical sense, but
apparently the writer got it right that it isn't being taught in schools.
Dunno about 55 to 85 $/hr, though, unless things have gotten a lot worse
since I got into the security side.
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