That may be true to some extent.  I haven't been to college (not counting 
working at one) in decades.  But back then I was getting a degree in 
Accounting, and took ONE CLASS in programming - sounded boring, but I figured I 
should know something about computers.  I was immediately hooked.  We wrote a 
program in PL/C (on the blackboard) the very first day, and I never looked 
back.  Three or four or six weeks later I talked to a student who was taking 
COBOL; they hadn't been allowed to touch a cardpunch yet, and were just 
learning about the theory of loops.  I had much the better teacher, God bless 
him!

By the way, Steve, I enjoyed your tagline :).

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I have asked and been told that various universities do not teach languages, 
they teach theory. So the students learn an object oriented language such as 
C++ or Java online(?). 

The statements made and questions asked of/by contract programmers (off shore) 
relative to COBOL — I believe it. 

Sent from my iPhone — small keyboarf, fat fungrs, stupd spell manglr. Expct 
mistaks 

> --- On Apr 5, 2020, at 3:09 PM, Bob Bridges <robhbrid...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Says here "COBOL is a dead language that hasn't been taught in most
> universities for decades, and the rare COBOL coders command anywhere from
> $55 to $85 an hour".
> 
> I'm reminded that five or ten years ago one of my sons heard my standard
> rant #37 about mainframes, and thought maybe he should learn to work with
> them (thinking it might lead to job security, in which I imagine he was not
> entirely wrong).  For a few weeks I called around trying to find out what it
> would cost me to rent space for two accounts on an IBM mainframe somewhere.
> My questions must have been repeated here and there, for eventually an IBM
> guy called me and said if I could get the local university to teach a few
> courses on mainframes, they'd have to rent space on a mainframe for the
> students and IBM would ~give~ me two accounts so I could teach my son.  I
> did call one of the local universities, one I'd worked at for two years, but
> couldn't drum up any interest.
> 
> The IBM guy also said that companies were getting so desperate for mainframe
> trainees that they were sponsoring college courses their own selves, just so
> they'd have someone they could hire later.
> 
> COBOL is by no means a "dead language", in any practical sense, but
> apparently the writer got it right that it isn't being taught in schools.
> 
> Dunno about 55 to 85 $/hr, though, unless things have gotten a lot worse
> since I got into the security side.

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