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I think we’re swerving off-topic from z/OS technical content. Matt Hogstrom m...@hogstrom.org +1-919-656-0564 PGP Key: 0x90ECB270 Facebook LinkedIn Twitter “It may be cognitive, but, it ain’t in

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Another reason IT should have unionized decades ago. My wife, as a public sector worker, had better benefits than I had. Because of the Teamsters. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, December 20, 2023, 2:43 PM, Phil Smith III wrote: Dean Kent wrote: >In that case, I think that Ca

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Dean Kent wrote: >In that case, I think that California law would not apply. I have the >impression (perhaps mistaken) that the labor laws apply to residents, >not remote workers. This is correct. I know this because when HP bought Voltage Security, we were no longer able to roll over any

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In that case, I think that California law would not apply.   I have the impression (perhaps mistaken) that the labor laws apply to residents, not remote workers. On 12/19/2023 6:30 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: Sorry, didn't mean to be unclear. I did indeed say "while I am employed by a California

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Sorry, didn't mean to be unclear. I did indeed say "while I am employed by a California company I am a company resource", but I meant it strictly hypothetically; I could equally well have said "if I am employed" etc. Before remote work became more usual I contracted in a lot of states, but neve

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metz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Dean Kent Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 9:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Assembler programmer wanted You are a person. People

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ua.edu> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 10:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Assembler programmer wanted I worked for a company going through bankruptcy. Alvarez & Marsal were brought in to run the bankruptcy process. First thing they wanted was for all of us to sign a non d

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קֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Dave Beagle <0525eaef6620-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 10:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Assembler programmer wanted I worked for a company going through bankrupt

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עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Dean Kent Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 9:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Assembler programmer wanted You are a person.  People have ri

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Kent Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 9:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Assembler programmer wanted You are a person. People have rights, objects do not.The company can require that you assign them the rights to any invention created using the things they paid for - computers

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ame Discussion List on behalf of Dave Beagle <0525eaef6620-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 7:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Assembler programmer wanted Funny how the industry's most associated with “intellectual property” and residua

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I'm reminded of a bit from "The Sting", a movie about a big con. A supplier is providing the uniforms and other props for the con, and during discussion the head of the con says "Ok, how do you want to be paid? You want a cut, or flat rate?" Supplier: Who's the mark? Head: Doyle Lonnegan. S

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- Original Message -- From "Radoslaw Skorupka" <0471ebeac275-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> To IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date 12/6/2023 15:11:57 PM Subject Re: Assembler programmer wanted >W dniu 05.12.2023 o 19:31, Harry Wahl pisze: >>I have designed and written many

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on the “back end”. Peter From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Doug Fuerst Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2023 3:49 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Assembler programmer wanted Just an observation. Actors are paid for their work as well. Many are paid millions to make a

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At 02:11 PM 12/6/2023, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: Yes and no. Even your very significant thing you designed can be sold. It can be expensive, but it is subject of trade. Last, but not least: You can sell anything you created, like (fictitious case) Edison who sold his light bulb. But maybe the co

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<0471ebeac275-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> To IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date 12/6/2023 15:11:57 PM Subject Re: Assembler programmer wanted >W dniu 05.12.2023 o 19:31, Harry Wahl pisze: >>I have designed and written many things. The vast majority of which entitles >>me t

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t they get a cut forever. Just does not seem fair, or equitable. Doug Fuerst -- Original Message -- From "Radoslaw Skorupka" <0471ebeac275-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> To IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date 12/6/2023 15:11:57 PM Subject Re: Assembler programmer wanted

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-- From "Radoslaw Skorupka" <0471ebeac275-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> To IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date 12/6/2023 15:11:57 PM Subject Re: Assembler programmer wanted W dniu 05.12.2023 o 19:31, Harry Wahl pisze: I have designed and written many things. The vast m

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W dniu 05.12.2023 o 19:31, Harry Wahl pisze: I have designed and written many things. The vast majority of which entitles me to no royalties or commissions. This is because any competent practitioner could have created the same (or similar) thing. That's how application programmers work. They

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-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 7:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Assembler programmer wanted Funny how the industry's most associated with “intellectual property” and residuals are some of the least intellectual. IT workers should have unionized 50

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You are a person.  People have rights, objects do not.    The company can require that you assign them the rights to any invention created using the things they paid for - computers, software, offices, books.   Training/experience is more of a gray area in my mind. Note that software used to b

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ERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Assembler programmer wanted I think this is a bad analogy.  The guy who installs or fixes an item that does not actually generate revenue certainly can ask for residuals - but there aren't any since there is no income from it. However, if residuals is a thing (whic

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t on behalf of Dean Kent Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 9:47 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Assembler programmer wanted I think this is a bad analogy. The guy who installs or fixes an item that does not actually generate revenue certainly can ask for residuals - but there aren&

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Ok, now you've got me curious. While I'm employed by a California software company, I ~am~ a company resource, am I not? How is the law worded to bypass that (so to speak)? --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* A tart temper never mellows with age, and a sharp tongue is

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I think this is a bad analogy.   The guy who installs or fixes an item that does not actually generate revenue certainly can ask for residuals - but there aren't any since there is no income from it. However, if residuals is a thing (which it is in some industries) then asking for a piece of t

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Should I pay something to the guy who put the shingles on my house every time it rains? It's a trick question. I'm the guy who put the shingles on my house. On 12/3/2023 12:07 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: When a bank runs an EFTPOS transaction, a fee is charged, all thanks to some code. When t

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://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bob Bridges Sent: Sunday, December 3, 2023 3:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Assembler programmer wanted LOL

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I think you're both dreaming. If you wrote that program on your own time and then sold it to the customer, you could sell it on whatever terms you and they could agree on, including residuals if that's what you (and they) want. If they paid you to write it, then it's theirs, that's all. ...Un

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When a bank runs an EFTPOS transaction, a fee is charged, all thanks to some code. When they run a mortgage amortization program, a debit occurs on a periodic basis. The whole system of direct debits generates a transfer of funds from a customer to the code executor... I could go on On Mon,

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Incorrect. Every time a program of mine ran, the company saved money and the executives got paid bonuses or salaries (often both) for my work. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, December 3, 2023, 3:01 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: Interesting analogy.  But surely there's one obvious differe

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LOL, the Indians and I would have more work offered to us :). --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* I like what the Roman fellow said: “I think nothing human alien to me.” When I read of a Mao or a Susan Smith, I try to imagine their temptations, not to exculpate them, bu

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Interesting analogy. But surely there's one obvious difference: When an entertainment program runs, someone gets paid, and residuals mean whoever gets paid (by subscribers, say) has to share the receipts with the writers. But when a company runs a program they own, they don't receive any mone

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PM Subject Re: Assembler programmer wanted >Hey, I didn't say we don't ~want~ better rates.  I didn't even say we don't >deserve them (though I might if pressed.  I don't use the word "deserve" >casually).  I said only that we don't need them - and add

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$40-$45 for a VTAM/TCP-IP/Network specialist with MVS, CICS, DB2, and MQ skills thrown in. Doug Fuerst -- Original Message -- From "Bob Bridges" To IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date 12/2/2023 22:43:20 PM Subject Re: Assembler programmer wanted Hey, I didn't say

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Hey, I didn't say we don't ~want~ better rates. I didn't even say we don't deserve them (though I might if pressed. I don't use the word "deserve" casually). I said only that we don't need them - and added that I was speaking strictly for myself :). When I was an employee I'd been at the sam

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7;ll be on the golf course. So far, ChatGPT can't swing a golf club. Doug Fuerst -- Original Message -- From "Bob Bridges" To IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date 12/2/2023 16:51:46 PM Subject Re: Assembler programmer wanted Again, I'm speaking only for myself, but I d

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@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Assembler programmer wanted If you wrote it while employed or under hourly contract its a work for hire and company owns. If paid for a finish product or during off duty time you have the copyright and resellable, but strongly suggested to incle the copyright assignment

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l Message -- > From "Bob Bridges" > To IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Date 12/2/2023 15:30:51 PM > Subject Re: Assembler programmer wanted > > >Can't speak for anyone else, but I usually just take (or turn down) the > first offer, mostly I think out of poor self-

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Again, I'm speaking only for myself, but I definitely think we DON'T "need" better terms. I have a great job that pays me more money than I spend for doing what I wanted to do anyway. (Not that I'd insist on giving back some of it if folks insist on offering more. But I don't want to ride the

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idges" To IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date 12/2/2023 15:30:51 PM Subject Re: Assembler programmer wanted >Can't speak for anyone else, but I usually just take (or turn down) the first offer, mostly I think out of poor self-image. Not sure why, because I don't mind dickering ove

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t; From "Bob Bridges" > To IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Date 12/2/2023 15:30:51 PM > Subject Re: Assembler programmer wanted > > >Can't speak for anyone else, but I usually just take (or turn down) the > first offer, mostly I think out of poor self-image. Not sure why

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3 15:30:51 PM Subject Re: Assembler programmer wanted Can't speak for anyone else, but I usually just take (or turn down) the first offer, mostly I think out of poor self-image. Not sure why, because I don't mind dickering over a car. The only exception I can remember off-hand is when

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Can't speak for anyone else, but I usually just take (or turn down) the first offer, mostly I think out of poor self-image. Not sure why, because I don't mind dickering over a car. The only exception I can remember off-hand is when a consulting company that employed me was looking to cut costs

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bject: Re: Assembler programmer wanted What I actually meant is "high for this recruiter". Enterprise Solutions has mostly Indians working their phones, and I expect they hire mostly Indian contractors for low rates. I've never worked for them so I may be doing them an injustice. B

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What I actually meant is "high for this recruiter". Enterprise Solutions has mostly Indians working their phones, and I expect they hire mostly Indian contractors for low rates. I've never worked for them so I may be doing them an injustice. But the few times I've talked to one of theirs on t

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On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 at 16:31, Farley, Peter < 031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Agreed, very low. I asked for and received $125/hr back in 1999 for a > complex assembler consulting job (BTAM/BDAM/multitasking/etc.). With > inflation and time passing the starting rate for t

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actual work to be done. Peter From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mike Shaw Sent: Friday, December 1, 2023 4:15 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Assembler programmer wanted Gotta be low... Mike Shaw MVS/QuickRef Support Chisoft On Fri, Dec 1, 2023, 3:23 PM

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Gotta be low... Mike Shaw MVS/QuickRef Support Chisoft On Fri, Dec 1, 2023, 3:23 PM Gord Tomlin wrote: > On 2023-12-01 14:14 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: > > I think the rate is unusual > > Pure curiosity: unusually low or unusually high? > > -- > > Regards, Gord Tomlin > Action Software Internationa

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On 2023-12-01 14:14 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: I think the rate is unusual Pure curiosity: unusually low or unusually high? -- Regards, Gord Tomlin Action Software International (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation) Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507 Support: https://actionsoftware.com

Assembler programmer wanted

I have a req here from Enterprise solutions for an assembler programmer, paying "60-65 $/hr" on corp-to-corp. Anyone wanted a copy, let me know and I'll pass it on. I've never done business with this recruiter but I think the rate is unusual; I'm guessing they don't think they can get one of t