I always thought this was something a union for IT workers would ask for in a
contract. Why should actors get residuals every time a show runs and not the
programmers every time their program runs? Written programs are every bit
intellectual property as a TV program.
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On Sunday, December 3, 2023, 12:20 PM, Doug Fuerst <d...@bkassociates.net>
wrote:
$40-$45 for a VTAM/TCP-IP/Network specialist with MVS, CICS, DB2, and MQ
skills thrown in.
Doug Fuerst
------ Original Message ------
>From "Bob Bridges" <robhbrid...@gmail.com>
To IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Date 12/2/2023 22:43:20 PM
Subject Re: Assembler programmer wanted
>Hey, I didn't say we don't ~want~ better rates. I didn't even say we don't
>deserve them (though I might if pressed. I don't use the word "deserve"
>casually). I said only that we don't need them - and added that I was
>speaking strictly for myself 😀.
>
>When I was an employee I'd been at the same company for 14 years. Inevitably
>I was underpaid, and I say that not as an indictment of my employer, it's just
>what happens when you stay at the same place that long. I've been contracting
>since then and the money is much better out here. Like a convenience store,
>the buyers have to pay more for convenience - in the case of computer
>contracting, that would be the ability to send me home for any reason or no
>reason ("we decided not to do that project after all"). But they have to pay
>extra cash for it. Even after paying my own travel expenses, and even
>counting the often-long periods between gigs, I was still better off
>financially when I started contracting.
>
>$45/hr? If you're talking about COBOL developers, hasn't the price risen on
>them in the last ten years, due to increasing scarcity and no decrease in the
>need? I'm not in that market any longer (I do RACF/ACF2/TSS), but it seems to
>me I've been seeing $50/hr and up for them.
>
>---
>Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313
>
>/* I have a page bookmarked somewhere — but I can't find it just at the moment
>— in which a guy fills the screen with details about his [World of Warcraft]
>characters, what level they are, what they're doing, where they're doing it,
>what they plan to do next, and ending "And now you know how I feel when you
>talk about sports." -Dorothy J. Heydt */
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of
>Doug Fuerst
>Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2023 18:36
>
>Let me get this right: Companies will pay their lawyers $750 an hour and up,
>but the people that write the code to keep their businesses running, that do
>the support work to keep those businesses running, us they want to pay $45 an
>hour for, and give us a list of skills they want a mile long.
>
>I said this facetiously originally, but what I just said is unfortunately the
>truth. You all took it seriously, so there it is. Seriously.
>
>Lately, the numbers are back to pre-Covid. Thankfully, I don't have much time
>left in this business. By that time, ChatGPT will be fixing it all. I'll be
>on the golf course. So far, ChatGPT can't swing a golf club.
>
>------ Original Message ------
>From "Bob Bridges" <robhbrid...@gmail.com>
>Date 12/2/2023 16:51:46
>
>>Again, I'm speaking only for myself, but I definitely think we DON'T "need"
>>better terms. I have a great job that pays me more money than I spend for
>>doing what I wanted to do anyway.
>>
>>(Not that I'd insist on giving back some of it if folks insist on
>>offering more. But I don't want to ride the edge of client resentment.
>>If they're gritting their teeth and thinking "Boy, he'd better be worth
>>it!" the day I come aboard, I'm already behind. Better they should
>>feel superior at having gotten me for less than they were willing to
>>pay.)
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On
>>Behalf Of Doug Fuerst
>>Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2023 16:37
>>
>>We need a better union. Maybe Fran Drescher is available. Actors have better
>>terms. Former Nanny's apparently can get them.
>>
>>We need better terms.
>
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