GNU Guix Video Documentation discussing priorities

2018-10-29 Thread Gábor Boskovits
Hello Guix, Regarding the Outreachy Project for Creating Video Documentation for GNU Guix, we come to a point where we should set up the priorities: 1. What types of videos should be created first: a. introducing concepts, b. practical howtos. 2. What audience to target: a. people not yet interest

Re: GNU Guix Video Documentation

2018-10-29 Thread Gábor Boskovits
Laura Lazzati ezt írta (időpont: 2018. okt. 29., H, 0:27): > Ok,let me see if I am understanding. For the audio, some people will > have to say "I speak X language" and narrate that part, By video you > mean for screencasted, like changing the people that appear? This would be optimal, as this

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-29 Thread Björn Höfling
Hi HiPhish, thank you very much for your insights. Others just said that they are against the CoC and its politics, you brought up arguments. Thank you. Though I have a slightly different view on it that I will explain. Note these are my personal thoughts, I don't know what the Guix maintainers th

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-29 Thread Björn Höfling
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 14:50:54 -0500 Alex Griffin wrote: > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018, at 1:42 PM, Tonton wrote: > >From sentence 1 of the Contributor Covenant: > > In the interest of fostering an open and welcoming environment, we > > as contributors and maintainers pledge to [...] > > This snippet

Re: GNU Guix Video Documentation

2018-10-29 Thread Björn Höfling
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 20:26:31 -0300 Laura Lazzati wrote: > Sometimes threads get too long and messy. Because when we end up > replying to a certain part then at least I miss what was before, and > need to read the whole thread to end up writing "X said...". We could > write like a summary of all t

Re: Video Documentation for GNU GUIX (an Outreachy project)

2018-10-29 Thread Gábor Boskovits
Hello Lakshmi, Could you give us a status update? There is only one week left until the deadline, and it usually takes about 3-4 day to get in a contribution. Should you need any help, please contact me. Best regards, g_bor

Re: GNU Guix Video Documentation

2018-10-29 Thread Gábor Boskovits
Hello Larissa, Could you give us a status update? There is only one week left until the deadline, and it usually takes about 3-4 day to get in a contribution. Should you need any help, please contact me. Best regards, g_bor

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-29 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On 29/10/2018 09.23, Björn Höfling wrote: Example: Sage Sharp left the kernel development: https://sage.thesharps.us/2015/10/05/closing-a-door/ How good would have been the USB 3.0 driver now, or the community documentation, when he would have continued his work with passion in a respectful com

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-29 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On 29/10/2018 09.59, Björn Höfling wrote: In law, there is the term of "conduct implying an intent". So even not signing anything you could argue that by sending a bug or a patch you silently agree with the community guidelines, CoC, etc. You enter the community be interacting the first time. And

Re: GNU Guix Video Documentation discussing priorities

2018-10-29 Thread Julien Lepiller
Le 2018-10-29 08:53, Gábor Boskovits a écrit : Hello Guix, Regarding the Outreachy Project for Creating Video Documentation for GNU Guix, we come to a point where we should set up the priorities: 1. What types of videos should be created first: a. introducing concepts, b. practical howtos. 2.

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-29 Thread Alex Sassmannshausen
Hello, I strongly support the CC and a specific CoC. Just to put my cards on the table. HiPhish writes: > I have had two packages merged, which I guess that makes me technically a > contributor, so here is my takes on the issue. > > In my opinion Codes of Conduct (or CoCs in short) are one of th

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-29 Thread Alex Sassmannshausen
Hi Thorsten, Thorsten Wilms writes: > On 29/10/2018 09.23, Björn Höfling wrote: >> Example: Sage Sharp left the kernel development: >> >> https://sage.thesharps.us/2015/10/05/closing-a-door/ >> >> How good would have been the USB 3.0 driver now, or the >> community documentation, when he would ha

Berlin is down

2018-10-29 Thread Clément Lassieur
Hi, Berlin returns 502, there are about 1000 builds (triggered by the Qt update) that weren't built. If Hydra is still down too, there's currently no way to upgrade Guix without rebuilding the world. Cheers, Clément

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-29 Thread Alex Sassmannshausen
Thorsten Wilms writes: > On 28/10/2018 13.33, Gábor Boskovits wrote: >> 1. There is general consensus that having both CoC and GKCG is pointless. > > ACK > >> 2. CoC is not welcome by all, mainly because they feel that it >> discourages contributions. > > That's a somewhat limited and tame take

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines? (-> convivenza)

2018-10-29 Thread Nils Gillmann
I have followed most of the breaking threads, and I will keep my contribution to simply stating what a friend wrote: https://mobile.twitter.com/lynXintl/status/1055146900100390913 In essence this refers to convivenza, which in my opinion is a much better suited framework for this than what has be

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-29 Thread Alex Sassmannshausen
Hello, Gábor Boskovits writes: > I have a feeling that I might confuse some things, as this thread is > getting rather long, so let me summarize what I have on my mind so > far: > > 1. There is general consensus that having both CoC and GKCG is pointless. > 2. CoC is not welcome by all, mainly be

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines? (-> convivenza)

2018-10-29 Thread Nils Gillmann
Nils Gillmann transcribed 634 bytes: > I have followed most of the breaking threads, and I will keep > my contribution to simply stating what a friend wrote: > > https://mobile.twitter.com/lynXintl/status/1055146900100390913 > > In essence this refers to convivenza, which in my opinion > is a muc

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines? (-> convivenza)

2018-10-29 Thread Alex Sassmannshausen
Hello, Nils Gillmann writes: > I have followed most of the breaking threads, and I will keep > my contribution to simply stating what a friend wrote: > > https://mobile.twitter.com/lynXintl/status/1055146900100390913 > > In essence this refers to convivenza, which in my opinion > is a much better

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-29 Thread Giovanni Biscuolo
the *political* position from a *potential* future contributor about Contributor Covenant executive summary: CoCs should never be substitutes for laws, maintainers should never be substitutes for judges. There is no need to scare (potential) contributors stating their political positions could be

Re: GNU Guix Video Documentation

2018-10-29 Thread Laura Lazzati
On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 5:17 AM Gábor Boskovits wrote: > Laura Lazzati ezt írta (időpont: 2018. > okt. 29., H, 0:27): > > > Ok,let me see if I am understanding. For the audio, some people will > > have to say "I speak X language" and narrate that part, By video you > > mean for screencasted, li

Re: GNU Guix Video Documentation

2018-10-29 Thread Laura Lazzati
On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 6:10 AM Björn Höfling < bjoern.hoefl...@bjoernhoefling.de> wrote: > On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 20:26:31 -0300 > Laura Lazzati wrote: > > > Sometimes threads get too long and messy. Because when we end up > > replying to a certain part then at least I miss what was before, and > >

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-29 Thread Alex Griffin
On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 11:49:23AM +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > bullshit. I pledged nothing. More pragmatic and truthful would be: > > "The project owners expect everyone who contributes to [...] Exactly. I would actually have less of a problem with it if it were presented as moderation rules

Re: GNU Guix Video Documentation discussing priorities

2018-10-29 Thread Laura Lazzati
On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 8:01 AM Julien Lepiller wrote: > > I think we should focus on more practical howtos aimed at people new to > guix So, first question: 1b. > our priority would be “installing guix on a foreign distro”, “installing > guixsd > For 3: Installation mentioned in Outreachy site

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-29 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On 29/10/2018 12.27, Alex Sassmannshausen wrote: The association with the primary author makes some people think of the ... fighting stance of her, the anti-meritocracy thing and her use of 2nd-hand "quotes" to get people into trouble (trying to keep it short here, thus far from exact). I thin

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-29 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On 29/10/2018 12.13, Alex Sassmannshausen wrote: https://twitter.com/_sagesharp_/status/1042769399596437504 using as reference: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Rape_apology_on_LCA_mailing_list I'm sorry, I'm not clear on where the factual incorrectness was in the things you linked to above.

Re: Berlin is down

2018-10-29 Thread Brett Gilio
Clément Lassieur writes: > Hi, > > Berlin returns 502, there are about 1000 builds (triggered by the Qt > update) that weren't built. If Hydra is still down too, there's > currently no way to upgrade Guix without rebuilding the world. > > Cheers, > Clément Hydra seems to be (at least in part)

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-29 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
Hi Thorsten, I’m replying to your email, but this message is also a general comment about this discussion. > On 29/10/2018 12.13, Alex Sassmannshausen wrote: > >>> https://twitter.com/_sagesharp_/status/1042769399596437504 >>> using as reference: >>> http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Rape_apol

Re: Berlin is down

2018-10-29 Thread Clément Lassieur
It's back, and the Qt stuff seem to have been built. Clément Lassieur writes: > Hi, > > Berlin returns 502, there are about 1000 builds (triggered by the Qt > update) that weren't built. If Hydra is still down too, there's > currently no way to upgrade Guix without rebuilding the world. > > Che

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-29 Thread Christopher Lemmer Webber
Thorsten Wilms writes: > On 29/10/2018 09.59, Björn Höfling wrote: >> In law, there is the term of "conduct implying an intent". So even not >> signing anything you could argue that by sending a bug or a patch you >> silently agree with the community guidelines, CoC, etc. You enter the >> communit

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-29 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
Hi Thorsten, > On 29/10/2018 12.27, Alex Sassmannshausen wrote: > >>> The association with the primary author makes some people think of the >>> ... fighting stance of her, the anti-meritocracy thing and her use of >>> 2nd-hand "quotes" to get people into trouble (trying to keep it short >>> her

Re: Video Documentation for GNU GUIX (an Outreachy project)

2018-10-29 Thread Lakshmi Prasannakumar
Hi Gábor, Thanks for checking. I was out of town with limited access to the internet due to a personal emergency. So haven't actually progressed much on adding the package. I have just started to follow up from where I left off last week now in terms of adding the package. Would definitely get bac

RE: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-29 Thread Cook, Malcolm
This so very well said - thank you Alex - were there a vote to recast mine flows thusly: > I'm so glad you brought this up, because it seems equally plausible to me > that the other party could be reacting overly sensitively. > > This is precisely why it is a bad idea to set up an authority

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-29 Thread HiPhish
On Monday, 29 October 2018 12:08:56 CET you wrote: > I think you a have burden of proof here, given that our culture at large > has serious issues with harassment. Why would you think FLOSS community > is somehow different from the wider community? No, you have a burden of proof that "our" culture

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-29 Thread HiPhish
(I forgot to CC this message to the mailing list, sorry if you get it twice) On Monday, 29 October 2018 19:34:47 CET you wrote: > On Monday, 29 October 2018 13:48:24 CET Giovanni Biscuolo wrote: > > if I was to choose a code of conduct for a project of mine I'd _never > > ever_ choose "Contributor

Leiningen follow-up

2018-10-29 Thread Brett Gilio
Hi all, I notice that in February 2017 "Alex . ter . weele" attempted to package Leiningen for Guix. I was wondering if anybody has a latest attempt at that. I wouldn't mind picking up on it and seeing if we can't get it added. -- Brett M. Gilio Free Software Foundation, Member https://gnu.org/

Re: Video Documentation for GNU GUIX (an Outreachy project)

2018-10-29 Thread Björn Höfling
Hi Lakshmi, On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 23:42:50 +0530 Lakshmi Prasannakumar wrote: > Hi Gábor, > > Thanks for checking. I was out of town with limited access to the > internet due to a personal emergency. So haven't actually progressed > much on adding the package. I have just started to follow up fro

Re: Video Documentation for GNU GUIX (an Outreachy project)

2018-10-29 Thread Lakshmi Prasannakumar
Hi Gábor, I just tried to import a package called 'weights' from cran repository. Its a package related to weighting and weighted statistics. I am attaching the definition package with this mail. Please find the attachment. In the next step I understand that we are suppose to store this in a file i

Re: Video Documentation for GNU GUIX (an Outreachy project)

2018-10-29 Thread Lakshmi Prasannakumar
@Gábor Just missed your last email. Yes, its all settled now on my side :) And regarding anaconda, yes even I figured out the difficulty level at this point of time, hence I chose a package from cran repository. Guess at a later point of time, after successfully add a package, could get back to tr

Re: Video Documentation for GNU GUIX (an Outreachy project)

2018-10-29 Thread Björn Höfling
Hi Lakshmi, On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 01:33:57 +0530 Lakshmi Prasannakumar wrote: > Hi Gábor, > I just tried to import a package called 'weights' from cran > repository. Its a package related to weighting and weighted > statistics. I am attaching the definition package with this mail. > Please find th

Re: Video Documentation for GNU GUIX (an Outreachy project)

2018-10-29 Thread Björn Höfling
On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 01:48:36 +0530 Lakshmi Prasannakumar wrote: > @Gábor > Just missed your last email. > Yes, its all settled now on my side :) > > And regarding anaconda, yes even I figured out the difficulty level at > this point of time, hence I chose a package from cran repository. > Guess

Re: Video Documentation for GNU GUIX (an Outreachy project)

2018-10-29 Thread Lakshmi Prasannakumar
Hi Björn, Apologies for addressing wrong. I blame it on my long travel and would be careful the next time :) Thank you for guiding me with the next steps, I have understood what needs to be done next and will work on it and get back to you soon with an update. Regards, Lakshmi Prasannakumar Banga

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-29 Thread Björn Höfling
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 11:10:42 +0100 Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On 29/10/2018 09.23, Björn Höfling wrote: > > Example: Sage Sharp left the kernel development: > > > > https://sage.thesharps.us/2015/10/05/closing-a-door/ > > > > How good would have been the USB 3.0 driver now, or the > > community do

Re: Video Documentation for GNU GUIX (an Outreachy project)

2018-10-29 Thread Gábor Boskovits
Hello Lakshmi, I did a preliminary review, that can make this contribution faster. Here are my comments: (package (name "r-weights") (version "1.0") (source (origin (method url-fetch) (uri (cran-uri "weights" version)) (sha256 (base32 "0186bfpkhxngrsh

Re: Berlin is down

2018-10-29 Thread Mark H Weaver
Hi Brett, Brett Gilio writes: > Hydra seems to be (at least in part) working on my end. I noticed Berlin > went down, though, when I was tracking a bug. Hydra.gnu.org has been offline since about 6 days ago, so there's no way it could be working for you. However, mirror.hydra.gnu.org is a diffe

Re: Berlin is down

2018-10-29 Thread Brett Gilio
Mark H Weaver writes: > Hi Brett, > > Brett Gilio writes: >> Hydra seems to be (at least in part) working on my end. I noticed Berlin >> went down, though, when I was tracking a bug. > > Hydra.gnu.org has been offline since about 6 days ago, so there's no > way it could be working for you. How

Re: Berlin is down

2018-10-29 Thread Clément Lassieur
Mark H Weaver writes: > Hi Brett, > > Brett Gilio writes: >> Hydra seems to be (at least in part) working on my end. I noticed Berlin >> went down, though, when I was tracking a bug. > > Hydra.gnu.org has been offline since about 6 days ago, so there's no > way it could be working for you. Howe

[Outreachy] First version of my proposed timeline

2018-10-29 Thread Laura Lazzati
Hi everyone! Here goes my first version of the proposed timeline. I wanted to send it today so that we have enough time to refine it. I wrote it taking into account the number of Weeks, the days of the month implied in that week, and the month/year. WEEK1: 4-10 (December 2018) * Study more deeply

Re: guix development

2018-10-29 Thread Brett Gilio
Ali Nourmohammadi writes: > Hi thereI'm working on a project that want to build a guix based operating > system.For the first issue my job is to run lxqt on guix with openbox window > manager.After searching alot i failed in my job.So my last hope is on you to > help me with that.As i said i

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-29 Thread Tonton
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 14:50:54 -0500 Alex Griffin wrote: > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018, at 1:42 PM, Tonton wrote: > > It seems to me you are making punishment way bigger than it actually is. > > The CoC actually says that maintainers have a responsibility to remove > offenders or risk being removed th

New info-guix mailing list for important announcements

2018-10-29 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hello Guix! We have created a new mailing list for announcements: releases, build farm news, security advisories, incompatibilities, etc. https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-guix This is going to be low-traffic, with posts by the developers in charge. Guix users are very much encourag

Re: New info-guix mailing list for important announcements

2018-10-29 Thread Brett Gilio
Ludovic Courtès writes: > Hello Guix! > > We have created a new mailing list for announcements: releases, build > farm news, security advisories, incompatibilities, etc. > > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-guix > > This is going to be low-traffic, with posts by the developers in ch

OF-TOPIC: Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-29 Thread Tonton
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 18:00:28 +0100 Thorsten Wilms wrote: > >> How does one manage to separate gender identity and expression from > >> sexual identity and orientation? Maybe one must take gender studies > >> ... > > > > Just to clarify, gender identity and expression refers to who you (feel >

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-29 Thread Tonton
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 19:50:05 +0100 HiPhish wrote: > On Monday, 29 October 2018 12:08:56 CET you wrote: > > I think you a have burden of proof here, given that our culture at large > > has serious issues with harassment. Why would you think FLOSS community > > is somehow different from the wider

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-29 Thread HiPhish
On Tuesday, 30 October 2018 00:54:54 CET you wrote:> > You, me, Alex and the rest of Guix share a culture. I'm assuming that is the > culture Alex refers to, not the cultures of our distinct offline locale. What culture am I sharing with you? I am not a hacker, I only care about code quality, jus

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-29 Thread Alex Griffin
On Mon, Oct 29, 2018, at 5:58 PM, Tonton wrote: > There are limits though. The CC pledges you to abide by it's rules in > relation to a certain community. Outside of this you are not pledged to it. > but see below. I know, but my point is that pledging yourself to the CoC is way different than ju

Re: mismatch of source tar ball hash

2018-10-29 Thread Leo Famulari
On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 12:23:33PM +0100, Marco van Hulten wrote: > substitution of /gnu/store/a77ap0vw0fnsz138paby8w55rlcd58zi-calcurse-4.3.0 > failed > building > /gnu/store/ya1v2nv0mq8dzkcik64inlyxxk3skz3h-calcurse-4.3.0.tar.gz.drv... > downloading from http://calcurse.org/files/calcurse-4.3.0

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-29 Thread Alex Griffin
On Mon, Oct 29, 2018, at 7:46 PM, Alex Griffin wrote: > It's not *just* a low standard of communication. The same sentence goes > on to list a whole slew of categories you might use to put people into > groups, which I don't agree with because it encourages treating people > as members of a grou

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-29 Thread Nils Gillmann
What HiPhish and some people in the threads are doing starts to look like strawmen argumentations, and not just today. For once take a look at the surprisingly LOW amount of times the CoC had to be refered to in our 5 years, where the CoC existed 3 years of them. Yes, it it not perfect, some peopl

Re: guix development

2018-10-29 Thread Meiyo Peng
Hi Ali, Ali Nourmohammadi writes: > Hi there > I'm working on a project that want to build a guix based operating system. > For the first issue my job is to run lxqt on guix with openbox window manager. > After searching alot i failed in my job. > So my last hope is on you to help me with that.