On 5/14/14, 8:23 PM, Jim wrote:
What exactly has been negotiated?
Some obvious bits that jumped out at me:
* The CDM not having unmediated access to the network, the hard drive,
or any other part of the user's computer.
* The CDM being available on Linux.
* The CDM not being able to track
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Rubén Martín
wrote:
> * It's not the first time we take decisions because everyone else is
> doing it, and we want to keep being relevant.
> o This worries me the most looking at the future, since we are
> going to be always the only ones with
On 2014-05-15 10:07, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
On 5/14/14, 8:23 PM, Jim wrote:
What exactly has been negotiated?
Some obvious bits that jumped out at me:
* The CDM not having unmediated access to the network, the hard drive,
or any other part of the user's computer.
* The CDM being available on L
On 2014-05-15 11:38, Jonas Sicking wrote:
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Rubén Martín
wrote:
* It's not the first time we take decisions because everyone else is
doing it, and we want to keep being relevant.
o This worries me the most looking at the future, since we are
g
On 15/05/14 15:01, Jim wrote:
> Mozilla sold out for fear of losing market share. You didn't even try to
> make a case to users to stick with Firefox if they were forced to use an
> alternative browser to view some media content.
I for one can't even begin to think how we could have made such a ca
On 15/05/2014 14:01, Jim wrote:
On 2014-05-15 11:38, Jonas Sicking wrote:
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Rubén Martín
wrote:
* It's not the first time we take decisions because everyone else is
doing it, and we want to keep being relevant.
o This worries me the most looking at t
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
> * Not shipping it by default.
> * Requiring explicit user content before downloading the CDM.
These are potentially misleading statements. What "shipping" means is
ambiguous, and we've not reached a conclusion on where exactly the
user c
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Jim wrote:
> The community received no support from Mozilla. Mozilla have supported the
> W3C and the EME all the way, and are still a member of the W3C. Even when
> W3C employees started joking about assassinating EME dissenters Mozilla was
> silent. Mozilla have
On 5/15/14, 5:08 AM, Jim wrote:
How does it meet the demands by content owners for robust DRM, while
allowing the user to sandbox the CDM, and also not being tivoized which
is not an option on Linux?
I personally do not know. But I am told by people I trust (e.g. Henri),
that this issue was c
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On 05/15/2014 05:38 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote:
> It's not a question of absolutes. We don't have anywhere near as much
> marketshare that we can call all the shots all the time. But that
> doesn't mean that we don't have any influence.
>
> But there
On 5/15/14, 6:01 AM, Jim wrote:
Mozilla have supported
the W3C and the EME all the way
Uh... are you serious? The Mozilla people who are on the record
speaking about this issue before today (me, Robert, Henri) come across
that way to you?
and are still a member of the W3C
Yes, we were e
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On 05/15/2014 09:33 AM, Gijs Kruitbosch wrote:
> On 15/05/2014 14:01, Jim wrote:
>
>> On 2014-05-15 11:38, Jonas Sicking wrote:
>> Mozilla sold out for fear of losing market share.
>
> Sorry, where does "sold out" come from? We receive no financi
A bit aside to the discussion of DRM itself -
This is the kind of topic that Reps will be asked about. I'll be helping
man our booth at OSCON for example. Of course Reps were invited to the town
hall, but I'd like to see something a bit more like training than just
information. A guide similar to
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 8:40 AM, The Wanderer wrote:
> However, I note that with the Hollywood studios, and to some extent the
> companies behind the other browsers, a lack of outrage is less
> surprising, because - little though we like it - that sort of thing is
> what we *expect* them to do, ba
On 5/15/14, 1:07 AM, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
Some obvious bits that jumped out at me:
* The CDM not having unmediated access to the network, the hard drive,
or any other part of the user's computer.
* The CDM being available on Linux.
If the CDM can run while completely sandboxed from network a
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 02:38:52AM -0700, Jonas Sicking wrote:
> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Rubén Martín
> wrote:
> > * It's not the first time we take decisions because everyone else is
> > doing it, and we want to keep being relevant.
> > o This worries me the most looking at
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On 05/15/2014 05:26 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote:
> On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 8:40 AM, The Wanderer
> wrote:
>
>> However, I note that with the Hollywood studios, and to some extent
>> the companies behind the other browsers, a lack of outrage is less
>>
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