Re: Interpretation of issue status "RESOLVED" (Re: Issues, meta-issues and transparency)

2016-10-18 Thread Adam Roach
This is still the wrong list for this conversation. You have now been told twice. /a > On Oct 15, 2016, at 17:05, Filipus Klutiero wrote: > >> On 2016-10-08 15:17, Boris Zbarsky wrote: >>> On 10/8/16 11:39 AM, Filipus Klutiero wrote: >>>2. The ticket in which I reported that bugs.mozilla.org

Discussion forum (Re: Interpretation of issue status "RESOLVED" (Re: Issues, meta-issues and transparency))

2016-10-16 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Adam, I addressed this thread to both governance@ and bugmast...@lists.mozilla.org. The initiator of this sub-thread dropped bugmasters, possibly involuntarily. For my part, I merely retitled the sub-thread. The initiator has already announced that his contribution to this thread was over.

Interpretation of issue status "RESOLVED" (Re: Issues, meta-issues and transparency)

2016-10-15 Thread Filipus Klutiero
On 2016-10-08 15:17, Boris Zbarsky wrote: On 10/8/16 11:39 AM, Filipus Klutiero wrote: 2. The ticket in which I reported that bugs.mozilla.org allows tickets to be marked as both WONTFIX and resolved In Bugzilla, a bug can be in multiple states that indicate what work remains to be done on

Re: Issues, meta-issues and transparency

2016-10-15 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Boris, On 2016-10-09 15:11, Boris Zbarsky wrote: Filipus, This is my last post in this thread, since it's pretty clear to me that this is going nowhere. I thank you for your otherwise constructive intervention in this thread, however I find it suboptimal to decide what your last post wil

Re: Issues, meta-issues and transparency

2016-10-10 Thread Filipus Klutiero
On 2016-10-10 16:54, Svetlana Tkachenko wrote: Good day, For components as large as Firefox, I unfortunately cannot read each issue report before deciding to use it. There are apparently 7350 open "bugs" reported against Firefox (which excludes some components). Does that mean there are 7350

Discussion forum (Re: Issues, meta-issues and transparency)

2016-10-10 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Tom, On 2016-10-10 03:00, Tom Farrow wrote: I'd like to remind that this is a governance mailing list. Participatory challenges and issues are better suited to the relevant teams, and Mozilla's participation team, especially while it's unclear whether there is a wider governance issue here

Re: Issues, meta-issues and transparency

2016-10-10 Thread Svetlana Tkachenko
Good day, > This is not a mailing list for disputing decisions made by bugzilla > administrators. > > I am asking you to take this discussion off this list. > > The list for bugzilla.mozilla.org issues is https://lists.mozilla.org/ > listinfo/tools-bmo and through google groups at > https://grou

Re: Issues, meta-issues and transparency

2016-10-10 Thread Svetlana Tkachenko
Good day, > For components as large as Firefox, I unfortunately cannot read each issue > report before deciding to use it. There are apparently 7350 open "bugs" > reported against Firefox (which excludes some components). Does that mean > there are 7350 reported Firefox-specific issues which pe

Re: Issues, meta-issues and transparency

2016-10-10 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Svetlana, On 2016-10-10 00:03, Svetlana Tkachenko wrote: Good day, I agree that waiting can help, but could you clarify which person you are talking about, and how long you think is optimal to wait before coming back? No particular person - this is a broad principle. Right. I did not bri

Re: Issues, meta-issues and transparency

2016-10-10 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Emma, On 2016-10-10 03:49, Emma Humphries wrote: Filipus, This is not a mailing list for disputing decisions made by bugzilla administrators. I will consider disputing the decision made when I obtain the reasons behind it, and do so on the most appropriate transparent forum I can find.

Re: Issues, meta-issues and transparency

2016-10-10 Thread Emma Humphries
Filipus, This is not a mailing list for disputing decisions made by bugzilla administrators. I am asking you to take this discussion off this list. The list for bugzilla.mozilla.org issues is https://lists.mozilla.org/ listinfo/tools-bmo and through google groups at https://groups.google.com/ fo

Re: Issues, meta-issues and transparency

2016-10-10 Thread Tom Farrow
I'd like to remind that this is a governance mailing list. Participatory challenges and issues are better suited to the relevant teams, and Mozilla's participation team, especially while it's unclear whether there is a wider governance issue here I'd propose that if you really want to tackle your

Re: Issues, meta-issues and transparency

2016-10-09 Thread Svetlana Tkachenko
Good day, > I agree that waiting can help, but could you clarify which person you are > talking about, and how long you think is optimal to wait before coming > back? No particular person - this is a broad principle. > In any case, forking an organization as known > as Mozilla should not be done

Re: If someone else has done it, it must be right (Re: Issues, meta-issues and transparency)

2016-10-09 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Benjamin, On 2016-10-09 15:13, Benjamin Kerensa wrote: Filipus, This is a governance mailing list and the issue you've raised is not a governance matter rather something that deals with participation and conduct. Sorry but which issue are you referring to? [...] -- Filipus Klutiero http:

Re: If someone else has done it, it must be right (Re: Issues, meta-issues and transparency)

2016-10-09 Thread Benjamin Kerensa
Filipus, This is a governance mailing list and the issue you've raised is not a governance matter rather something that deals with participation and conduct. You might wish to contact the participation team but this matter seems settled and final. On Oct 9, 2016 11:48 AM, "Filipus Klutiero" wro

Re: Issues, meta-issues and transparency

2016-10-09 Thread Boris Zbarsky
Filipus, This is my last post in this thread, since it's pretty clear to me that this is going nowhere. But just on the off chance that you really are missing something instead of being willfully obtuse, I will try one last time. On 10/9/16 2:15 PM, Filipus Klutiero wrote: That is not even

Re: If someone else has done it, it must be right (Re: Issues, meta-issues and transparency)

2016-10-09 Thread Filipus Klutiero
On 2016-10-09 12:49, Wayne wrote: On 10/9/2016 10:46 AM, Filipus Klutiero wrote: On 2016-10-09 07:58, Wayne wrote: On 10/8/2016 3:17 PM, Boris Zbarsky wrote: On 10/8/16 11:39 AM, Filipus Klutiero wrote: 2. The ticket in which I reported that bugs.mozilla.org allows tickets to be marked as

Re: Issues, meta-issues and transparency

2016-10-09 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Boris, On 2016-10-08 15:17, Boris Zbarsky wrote: On 10/8/16 11:39 AM, Filipus Klutiero wrote: [...] 3. Three of these were marked as incomplete, when there was no request for any more information about these. I agree that private mail to ask for the information may have been better.

Re: If someone else has done it, it must be right (Re: Issues, meta-issues and transparency)

2016-10-09 Thread Wayne
On 10/9/2016 10:46 AM, Filipus Klutiero wrote: On 2016-10-09 07:58, Wayne wrote: On 10/8/2016 3:17 PM, Boris Zbarsky wrote: On 10/8/16 11:39 AM, Filipus Klutiero wrote: 2. The ticket in which I reported that bugs.mozilla.org allows tickets to be marked as both WONTFIX and resolved In Bug

If someone else has done it, it must be right (Re: Issues, meta-issues and transparency)

2016-10-09 Thread Filipus Klutiero
On 2016-10-09 07:58, Wayne wrote: On 10/8/2016 3:17 PM, Boris Zbarsky wrote: On 10/8/16 11:39 AM, Filipus Klutiero wrote: 2. The ticket in which I reported that bugs.mozilla.org allows tickets to be marked as both WONTFIX and resolved In Bugzilla, a bug can be in multiple states that indi

Re: Issues, meta-issues and transparency

2016-10-09 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Svetlana, On 2016-10-09 05:33, Svetlana Tkachenko wrote: Good day, When someone disagrees, pace down and come back to it later; don't keep working on them (or the issue) in frustration. From my observation failing to do this has contributed to a majority of bans on the Internet. I agree th

Re: Issues, meta-issues and transparency

2016-10-09 Thread Wayne
On 10/8/2016 3:17 PM, Boris Zbarsky wrote: On 10/8/16 11:39 AM, Filipus Klutiero wrote: 2. The ticket in which I reported that bugs.mozilla.org allows tickets to be marked as both WONTFIX and resolved In Bugzilla, a bug can be in multiple states that indicate what work remains to be done o

Re: Issues, meta-issues and transparency

2016-10-09 Thread Svetlana Tkachenko
Good day, When someone disagrees, pace down and come back to it later; don't keep working on them (or the issue) in frustration. From my observation failing to do this has contributed to a majority of bans on the Internet. Since Mozilla software is free, you are not obligated to stay on bugzilla.

Re: Issues, meta-issues and transparency

2016-10-08 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 10/8/16 11:39 AM, Filipus Klutiero wrote: 2. The ticket in which I reported that bugs.mozilla.org allows tickets to be marked as both WONTFIX and resolved In Bugzilla, a bug can be in multiple states that indicate what work remains to be done on it: UNCONFIRMED, NEW, RESOLVED (and REOPE