Hi Emma,
On 2016-10-10 03:49, Emma Humphries wrote:
Filipus,
This is not a mailing list for disputing decisions made by bugzilla
administrators.
I will consider disputing the decision made when I obtain the reasons behind
it, and do so on the most appropriate transparent forum I can find.
I am asking you to take this discussion off this list.
The list for bugzilla.mozilla.org <http://bugzilla.mozilla.org> issues is
https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/tools-bmo <https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/tools-bmo>
and through google groups at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/mozilla.tools.bmo
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21forum/mozilla.tools.bmo>.
The second link contains:
The target audiences for this list are:
- consumers of the various BMO APIs
- researchers wanting to mine BMO's data seeking help on where to start
- BMO developers and admins
- advanced BMO users
I am clearly not part of the first 3 audiences. And since my BMO account is
AFAIK disabled and has never even been granted the ability to close or reopen
issues, I do not consider myself part of any target audience. I am not
convinced that this discussion would be on-topic on tools-bmo.
That being said, I am not sure why your intervention comes in this sub-thread,
but the original mail was sent to governance@lists.mozilla.org as well as
bugmast...@lists.mozilla.org.
- E C Humphries
On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 12:00 AM, Tom Farrow <t...@mozilla.org.uk
<mailto:t...@mozilla.org.uk>> wrote:
I'd like to remind that this is a governance mailing list. Participatory
challenges and issues are better suited to the relevant teams, and
Mozilla's participation team, especially while it's unclear whether there
is a wider governance issue here
I'd propose that if you really want to tackle your difficulties, you
discuss them with both the bugzilla team and the participation team.
This thread is become quite large and the discussion isn't the style people
typically associate with this list.
I do understand fully your difficulties, and hope that you find a solution
for them, just, (correct me if I'm wrong), this probably isn't the ideal
place.
Maybe a more clarified issue will come back to this list if it's actionable
by governance.
On Sunday, October 9, 2016, Filipus Klutiero <chea...@gmail.com
<mailto:chea...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi Svetlana,
>
> On 2016-10-09 05:33, Svetlana Tkachenko wrote:
>
>> Good day,
>>
>> When someone disagrees, pace down and come back to it later; don't keep
>> working on them (or the issue) in frustration. From my observation
>> failing to do this has contributed to a majority of bans on the
>> Internet.
>>
>
> I agree that waiting can help, but could you clarify which person you are
> talking about, and how long you think is optimal to wait before coming
back?
>
>
>> Since Mozilla software is free, you are not obligated to stay on
>> bugzilla.mozilla.org <http://bugzilla.mozilla.org> -- you still can fix
these bugs within the
>> infrastructure of a new or existing fork.
>>
>
> Mozilla is one of the main projects which brought me to free software. I
> have used Mozilla software for most of the 13 years since I switched to
the
> good old Mozilla Suite. In any case, forking an organization as known as
> Mozilla should not be done lightly.
>
> While the issues I exposed may be grave, the number of persons involved is
> small relative to the number of contributors, and some of the meta-issues
> are trivial to solve. I am far from thinking that the situation is
hopeless.
>
> However, I am not particularly aware of the project's status. If you think
> this situation may carry on, would you recommend switching to a particular
> fork?
>
> --
> Filipus Klutiero
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