For another perspective, a large proportion of my collaborators are outside
Mozilla, and I've declined thus far to switch to Slack. In fact, I finally
installed the client only a few weeks ago for some very specific use cases.
Perhaps my experiences are different from the main, but spam on IRC h
On 11.10.18 13:35, Dão Gottwald via governance wrote:
Am Fr., 14. Sep. 2018 um 20:27 Uhr schrieb mhoye via governance <
governance@lists.mozilla.org>:
[...]
In contrast we do have a way for community members to join Slack. It's a
bit more labor intensive than "/join", but the process includes
I should add that there are partners who are simply not at liberty to
sign NDAs just to be able to chat with us.
Cheers,
David
On 11/10/2018 13:35, Dão Gottwald via governance wrote:
> If the primary concern is IRC spam, then requiring an NDA seems overkill.
> There must be a middle ground betw
Am Fr., 14. Sep. 2018 um 20:27 Uhr schrieb mhoye via governance <
governance@lists.mozilla.org>:
>
> [...]
> So I don't know what the answer to this is, but I do know that the IRC
> spam we've been seeing is just a taste of how bad that experience can
> become, particularly for anyone specifically
I'm sorry this is long and ranty and late.
-- Original Message --
From: "Nicholas Nethercote"
Subject: Re: Open communication and Slack
In general, I think everything you said is reasonable, but I'm having
trouble connecting it to the specific issue of IRC
In general, I agree with these concerns. The media team has had good
results with interacting with the community/developers/etc on IRC, and
that works because they're there, they use it. Lots of important things
that have helped us relative to Chrome in the eyes of web developers
have happened be
Certainly the issue is more than just "Slack vs. IRC," but it is definitely
a substantial symptom of the larger issue. Artificial fragmentation of our
community where it isn't necessary helps nobody. If we need a chat-style
tool similar to IRC for a variety of reasons (and it seems clear that we
do
Hi,
I would like to support Leo's comment here, and add a few point based on
my experience comparing a 2004 Mozilla vs a 2018 Mozilla:
* The original problem described in this email is about engaging with
a staff team on a feature discussion. We are a medium-sized
organization today and
On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 11:59 AM Peter Saint-Andre via governance <
governance@lists.mozilla.org> wrote:
> Mozilla is now a mid-size organization (~1100 people) with a wide
> variety of roles, functions, and teams: not just engineers, but HR, IT,
> legal, marketing, security, operations, business
On 8/17/18 8:26 PM, Nicholas Nethercote via governance wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 4:16 AM, mhoye via governance <
> governance@lists.mozilla.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> I think that we need to have a nuanced and probably difficult conversation
>> about what openness means, and what working in the op
I'd also like to thank you for bringing this up, I think the gradual move of
conversations from IRC to Slack has definitely reduced our openness.
I agree with Nick (damn, now I sound like David Cameron), the main reasons I've
heard about moving to Slack were around its user interface and other U
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 4:16 AM, mhoye via governance <
governance@lists.mozilla.org> wrote:
>
> I think that we need to have a nuanced and probably difficult conversation
> about what openness means, and what working in the open means on the modern
> internet.
>
In general, I think everything yo
2018-08-17 11:43 GMT+02:00 Leo McArdle :
> Further to Peter's point, I think this betrays a misuse of Slack, IRC and
> other synchronous communication platforms. We have staff and volunteers
> distributed across the world, and we can expect neither to be active 24
> hours a day. Trawling through p
2018-08-16 19:27 GMT+02:00 Andrew Halberstadt :
> To be clear, I think there are a large number of (mostly non
> developer) teams whose day to day communications need to be
> private. Using Slack in those instances seems absolutely fine to
> me.
>
> But if we're serious about supporting our commun
-- Original Message --
From: "Benjamin Kerensa via governance"
It’s definitely a problematic situation and I think it demonstrates how
Mozilla is drifting more and more from its manifesto and values towards
a more corporate and closed community. Mozilla embraces more closed
practice
Further to Peter's point, I think this betrays a misuse of Slack, IRC
and other synchronous communication platforms. We have staff and
volunteers distributed across the world, and we can expect neither to be
active 24 hours a day. Trawling through past conversations isn't a
productive use of anyone
On 8/16/18 3:52 AM, Dão Gottwald via governance wrote:
> The use of Slack at Mozilla has bothered me for a while. So far I managed
> to pretty much ignore Slack. I feel left out sometimes but it hasn't been a
> big deal, as far as I can tell. (Of course, since I don't have an account,
> I don't kno
It's worth noting that there are reasonable open, company-backed
alternatives to Slack.
For example, https://zulipchat.com/ presents a Slack-like interface. It's
Apache2 licensed, allows for self-hosting, is backed by a company, has
web/desktop/android/iOS apps, and has the same service agreements
On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dão Gottwald via governance <
governance@lists.mozilla.org> wrote:
> AFAIK Slack is only available to Mozilla staff and volunteers who've signed
> our NDA. It's my understanding that communication at Mozilla should be open
> by default, and the rest is sufficiently
It’s definitely a problematic situation and I think it demonstrates how Mozilla
is drifting more and more from its manifesto and values towards a more
corporate and closed community. Mozilla embraces more closed practices today
than it did just a few years ago.
And it’s surely not benefitting t
Thank you for bringing this up Dão, this is something that has
been bothering me for a long time as well.
It used to be the case that supporting our community of
volunteers was somewhere at the fore of Mozilla's priorities (we
used to say "our community is our biggest strength"). It's
become clear
The use of Slack at Mozilla has bothered me for a while. So far I managed
to pretty much ignore Slack. I feel left out sometimes but it hasn't been a
big deal, as far as I can tell. (Of course, since I don't have an account,
I don't know how much exactly I've been missing.)
Now this issue came up
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