I'd also like to thank you for bringing this up, I think the gradual move of conversations from IRC to Slack has definitely reduced our openness.
I agree with Nick (damn, now I sound like David Cameron), the main reasons I've heard about moving to Slack were around its user interface and other UI related features. Although mhoye makes good points about the nature of open discussions on the internet. However, wouldn't many of those concerns be addressed by moving to an open for read platform, but with posting only for vouched members (assuming such features are available). That by itself would seem a pretty retrograde step that would have caused a heated discussion not so long ago. If one, or a handful, of channels could be left as open to post for anyone that would seem to mitigate most of the problems. Anyway currently, we seem to have let ourselves slide into a totally closed tool, which is much worse. One other point, how private is Slack anyway? It looks like Slack have good words on the Security Practises page, but a quick search finds people raising legitimate concerns. Cheers, Bob On Thursday, 16 August 2018 15:38:14 UTC+1, Dão Gottwald wrote: > The use of Slack at Mozilla has bothered me for a while. So far I managed > to pretty much ignore Slack. I feel left out sometimes but it hasn't been a > big deal, as far as I can tell. (Of course, since I don't have an account, > I don't know how much exactly I've been missing.) > > Now this issue came up again in > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1460248#c18 when a user asked > a question about a UX design that I implemented. These kind of discussions > in closed bugs usually don't go anywhere, so I asked the user to take it to > a mailing list or IRC. The user posted to #ux and never got a response. > This can happen in channels with low usage, but Timvde let me know that > this IRC channel has effectively been dead since the team has moved to > Slack. > > I'm using the above merely as an example. I don't want this e-mail to be > about the UX team. Instead I'd like to revisit why we allow if not > encourage people to use Slack rather than IRC in the first place. > > AFAIK Slack is only available to Mozilla staff and volunteers who've signed > our NDA. It's my understanding that communication at Mozilla should be open > by default, and the rest is sufficiently covered by e-mail, private > meetings and restricted bugs. Why are we on Slack? > > Thanks, > dao _______________________________________________ governance mailing list governance@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
