On 6/16/20 2:43 PM, Sam Whited wrote:
So you're suggesting that because we can't help all people all of the
time we should help no one at any time? That is a logical fallacy. Right
now in this moment there are protests all over the world about a
specific issue, so yes, a specific cause is being
So you're suggesting that because we can't help all people all of the
time we should help no one at any time? That is a logical fallacy. Right
now in this moment there are protests all over the world about a
specific issue, so yes, a specific cause is being supported because the
time is right, and
On 6/15/20 9:48 PM, Space A. wrote:
Because there are hundreds or thousands of initiatives to support
suffering and dying people in African, Asian, Eastern European, and
what else countries that will never be supported by top banner at
golang.org.
That's right.
On Monday, June 15, 202
A simple message was posted: "Black Lives Matter. Support the Equal Justice
Initiative".
I understand that this is controversial to say in some quarters. I am
saddened that this is controversial to say here.
Rust developers succinctly captured why it is appropo to say in
https://blog.rust-lang
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 1:59 PM Chris Hopkins wrote:
>
> Hi,
> (Sorry I've not been active in the group for a long time - job change caused
> other changes!)
> I'm seeing a very strange error on building on one of my machines, in fact
> I'm seeing it on any attempt to build any go project on tha
Are you perhaps using NFS (or some other network filesystem) and using
"soft" mounts with a non-zero timeout? Check the output of "df -T .".
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 1:59 PM Chris Hopkins wrote:
> Hi,
> (Sorry I've not been active in the group for a long time - job change
> caused other changes!)
Hi,
(Sorry I've not been active in the group for a long time - job change
caused other changes!)
I'm seeing a very strange error on building on one of my machines, in fact
I'm seeing it on any attempt to build any go project on that machine e.g.
~/home/git/src/github.com/cbehopkins/medorg$ go bu
'Thomas Bushnell, BSG' via golang-nuts :
> I don't want to think about people objecting to anti-racist fundraising,
> and yet, here we are.
It's not "anti-racist fundraising" that anybody objects to. It's
politically loaded messaging.
> We all sometimes have to think about things we would rather
The Go community includes programmers of all races, nationalities and
cultures.
Every member of the community has the right to go about their daily lives
without
being killed by the police force.
I applaud the decisions of the Go team to take a public stand in favour of
this right.
I am surpri
I'll say that my main suggestion is that such links only show in certain
regions. For example, youtube and google filter all kinds of stuff
depending on where you are.
Assuming American-style free speech exists everywhere go is used is not
good for anybody. This link sits atop all the godoc.org
No, unfortunately this just replaces the need for gcc for SQLite3 with the
need for gcc for Sqinn. My goal is to have a SQL database for use in Go
that is 100% pure Go with zero outside dependencies. My primary use case
is for unit-testing large applications that rely on SQL databases such tha
I would like to again remind everyone to be respectful and charitable
in this discussion. Also, please ask yourself whether you really need
to keep this thread going. Consider letting someone else have the
last word, and being the more generous person and walking away.
Thanks.
Ian
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On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 6:30 PM Leo Baltus wrote:
>
> from gopl chapter 9.4 'Memory synchronisation’
>
> Synchronization primitives like channel communications and mutex operations
> cause the processor to flush out and commit all its accumulated writes so
> that the effects of goroutine executi
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 10:30 AM Leo Baltus wrote:
>
> from gopl chapter 9.4 'Memory synchronisation’
>
> Synchronization primitives like channel communications and mutex operations
> cause the processor to flush out and commit all its accumulated writes so
> that the effects of goroutine execut
Depends on the processor but usually it entails a “fence” instruction.
> On Jun 15, 2020, at 11:31 AM, Leo Baltus wrote:
>
> from gopl chapter 9.4 'Memory synchronisation’
>
> Synchronization primitives like channel communications and mutex operations
> cause the processor to flush out and c
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 9:27 AM 'Axel Wagner' via golang-nuts <
golang-nuts@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 1:04 PM Jon Reiter wrote:
>
>> Ok. I live in Singapore. Here is a statement from the Singapore Police
>> Force directly telling foreigners not to advocate for political
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 12:30 PM Jon Reiter wrote:
> It's not difficult to imagine banners like "free (some geographic place)"
> or "remember (someone or some date)" causing severe problems. This banner
> differs only in degree of risk. It increases the risk of a problem by some
> non-0 amount
Maybe Sqinn-Go can help you:
https://github.com/cvilsmeier/sqinn-go
(I'm the author of it)
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from gopl chapter 9.4 'Memory synchronisation’
Synchronization primitives like channel communications and mutex operations
cause the processor to flush out and commit all its accumulated writes so that
the effects of goroutine execution up to that point are guaranteed to be
visible to goroutine
Ok. I live in Singapore. Here is a statement from the Singapore Police
Force directly telling foreigners not to advocate for political causes or
risk being deported:
https://www.facebook.com/singaporepoliceforce/posts/10157358158324408
Is that concrete enough? That is a public post from an offic
I'm sorry, I think this trivializes real concerns that impact a significant
number of people. It is not hard to imagine a setting in many major cities
around a world where a banner like this appearing during a presentation or
training session could cause problems. I am not the source or enforcer
It's not difficult to imagine banners like "free (some geographic place)"
or "remember (someone or some date)" causing severe problems. This banner
differs only in degree of risk. It increases the risk of a problem by some
non-0 amount.
This isn't about agreeing or disagreeing with the sentimen
I agree with previous posts pointing out that "black lives matter" is not a
political message. In fact, it isn't even a social message. It's a
statement of fact. Please leave the banner up.
On Sunday, 14 June 2020 06:36:38 UTC-7, peterGo wrote:
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> Recently, a political message with a fundraisin
" It does seem that a lot of key decisions are being made on the basis of
a very small sample of emoji votes in the issue tracker, so having a
broader voting mechanism might be useful for informing the decision making
process.. .."
At the very least, 'a broad voting mechanism' would eliminate
I support the EJI 100%. That was not the white person or Ivory tower I was
referring to. As a person living with burned out and destroyed buildings on all
sides in one of the most violent cities in the US, I am too close to this issue
and will no longer comment. I only ask for compassion.
> On
Who knew a 50px high desktop only banner was such a usability obstacle.
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 12:00 PM 'Thomas Bushnell, BSG' via golang-nuts <
golang-nuts@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> I'm saddened by all the snowflakes who can't handle a message they
> disagree with for a second, which is litera
The Equal Justice Initiative is not "a white person shouting from their
ivory tower".
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 11:08 AM Robert Engels
wrote:
> Maybe I am confusing the lower case black lives matter with the BLM org
> and platform - the former I agree with wholeheartedly. I can assure you
> that e
It might be helpful to know that the Equal Justice Initiative is strongly
supported by the Google.org foundation (
https://www.google.org/our-work/inclusion/equal-justice-initiative/) and
Google itself (
https://about.google/main/google-supports-equal-justice-initiative/), and
has been for years. M
Maybe I am confusing the lower case black lives matter with the BLM org and
platform - the former I agree with wholeheartedly. I can assure you that
elements of the BLM platform are very fringe with little support in the
minority community- specifically the defund the police - so having a white
Eric: It's not your list. You don't get to decide the policies of the list.
On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 4:44 PM Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> Sam Whited :
> > This is not a simple political issue, it is a personal human issue. It
> > is a social issue. It is a justice issue.
>
> It is the injection of po
I'm saddened by all the snowflakes who can't handle a message they disagree
with for a second, which is literally costing them exactly nothing.
I'm also saddened by anyone who thinks the message itself is somehow
objectionable. But I won't stop being an anti-racist just because some
people are mad
[Note To and CC]
Please consider this a formal request for the Go Project Stewards to
review the website banners being discussed in this thread and to make a
determination that these banners are causing divisiveness in the Go
Community and have offended some, and that the banners' content is
inapp
Ok, I just can't help chiming in here. Given that a couple of snippets save
the extra keystrokes and a smart folder saves the screen space, it's hard
to see why this issue gets so much discussion.
Cheers,
Mike
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Thunberg*
On
To clarify, that was not the point I was trying to make. If the BLM banner
directed donations to BLM org I would have no issue, assuming BLM is a verified
not-for-profit.
The community leaders have a right to set the tone and focus for the group. The
community can support, accept, ignore or fi
I think long years of experience has shown that this is not the case.
This argument is made frequently and amounts to "let's just ignore the
issues and hope they go away because they only affect a minority among
us". This is one of the reasons for the lack of diversity in this
industry (at least wi
If the argument were what specific charity to put in the banner this
might be a discussion worth having, however I get the impression that
many of these people are arguing against including a banner at all.
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020, at 10:04, Robert Engels wrote:
> I think a more specific point to be
* Sam Whited [200615 09:34]:
> This is an important issue about the Go Community and who feels welcomed
> here, which is also covered by this mailing list.
This is _so_ wrong. The evidence that this banner has caused
substantial divisiveness and offended many members of the Go community
is obvio
I think a more specific point to be made is that it is a few select people
speaking for the community. In fact, the associating of BLM with the EJI is
suspect. Neither org associates with the other and their platforms are in many
ways Incompatible.
As a 30+ year major inner city dweller I can
Because there are hundreds or thousands of initiatives to support suffering
and dying people in African, Asian, Eastern European, and what else
countries that will never be supported by top banner at golang.org.
On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 4:33:05 PM UTC+3, Sam Whited wrote:
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> Why is it disres
You're starting from the assumption that anything off-topic to the
language itself is bad. Why do you hold this position?
Even if we accept your position that anything slightly off topic is bad
(although I do not accept that position), this topic is relevant to
everyone trying to build a more dive
* 'Axel Wagner' via golang-nuts [200614 20:15]:
> No, what you said is, that objecting to the banner may not be *political*.
> You didn't mention parties and neither did I. And I stand by my statement,
> that objecting to the banner *is* inherently a political act. And that
> claiming to object on
This is an important issue about the Go Community and who feels welcomed
here, which is also covered by this mailing list.
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020, at 09:18, K Davidson wrote:
> Please keep posts limited to things about go.
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Why is it disrespectful to the rest of the world? In what way does
supporting the Black Lives Matter movement and an important not-for-
profit diminish from other problems that also need solving?
One of my neighbors recently put it this way: would you walk up to
someone at a breast cancer awarenes
I am running a program which reads multiple gzipped input files and
performs some processing on each line of the file.
It creates 8 goroutines (1 per input file which is to be processed. the
number of such files can be thought to remain 8 at the max).
Each of the go routines send to a buffered c
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 1:04 PM Jon Reiter wrote:
> Ok. I live in Singapore. Here is a statement from the Singapore Police
> Force directly telling foreigners not to advocate for political causes or
> risk being deported:
> https://www.facebook.com/singaporepoliceforce/posts/10157358158324408
>
This mailing list is for the Go Programming Language, there are other places on
the internet to discuss unrelated topics.
Please keep posts limited to things about go.
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Agree with Peter. It's not the right place and time and disrespectful for
the rest of the World. You don't even imagine what problems, social or
political, people who live far away from US face each and every day.
On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 4:36:38 PM UTC+3, peterGo wrote:
>
> Recently, a poli
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 11:56 AM Jon Reiter wrote:
> It's not difficult to imagine banners like "free (some geographic place)"
> or "remember (someone or some date)" causing severe problems.
>
It's also not difficult to imagine Orcs and wizarding schools and
intergalactic star flight. Doesn't ma
Sam Whited :
> What makes you think this is somehow politics and not simply supporting
> an important not-for-profit at a time when it's particularly relevant
> and important to do so?
The ensuing dispute over its appropriateness is enough evidence that
it is political.
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Can you be more specific about how this is a real issue? Like, do you have
precedent, where a banner-ad was the reason someone who linked to a page
for unrelated reasons was prosecuted? Would be interesting to have some
real cases so we get a clear picture of the threat here.
Because to be clear,
This is political hijacking of the Golang project, I am disgusted !
On Sunday, 14 June 2020 14:36:38 UTC+1, peterGo wrote:
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> Recently, a political message with a fundraising link appeared as a banner
> atop golang.org websites: https://golang.org/, https://pkg.go.dev/.
>
> content/static:
My opinion is that one of the reasons other languages need a framework is
that the standard library is too hard to work with. So the frameworks take
some of these burden and also take a lot of decisions for the you. In Go
the standard library is powerful and simple enough to us to build the
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