Re: non-latin accelerator keys

2005-12-28 Thread Simos Xenitellis
Matthias Clasen wrote: On 12/21/05, Abel Cheung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, On 12/22/05, Matthias Clasen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323956 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104112 The first bug complains about the fact that the "(_

Re: non-latin accelerator keys

2005-12-27 Thread Clytie Siddall
On 27/12/2005, at 1:54 AM, Raphael Higino wrote: Can't you use decomposed form? I.e. "_Álbum" (Pango should[1] still show it the same, though it's in practice of a bit worse appearance depending on the font; for reference, I used combining acute U+0301 after "A" here). Yes, I could. But I st

Re: non-latin accelerator keys

2005-12-27 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 12/21/05, Abel Cheung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi,On 12/22/05, Matthias Clasen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323956 > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104112>> The first bug complains about the fact that the "(_F)" form in which > many CJK strin

Re: non-latin accelerator keys

2005-12-27 Thread Tor Lillqvist
må 2005-12-26 klockan 13:58 -0200 skrev Raphael Higino: > Perhaps in other languages worldwide A and Á are completely different. In Finnish and Swedish, Å, Ä, and Ö are considered completely distinct letters. No Swedish or Finnish speaker would think of them as A or O with some "accent" attached.

Re: non-latin accelerator keys

2005-12-27 Thread pclouds
On 12/27/05, Matthias Clasen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12/21/05, Matthias Clasen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 04:22 +0800, Abel Cheung wrote: > > > I see. Something like "gl_[u]ücklich", so pressing alt-u can activate the > > > item? > > > > Exactly > > Actually, what

Re: non-latin accelerator keys

2005-12-27 Thread Raphael Higino
> > I can't use Á as the accelerator since it requires multiple keystrokes. > > Can't you use decomposed form? I.e. "_Álbum" (Pango should[1] still > show it the same, though it's in practice of a bit worse appearance > depending on the font; for reference, I used combining acute U+0301 > after "A

Re: non-latin accelerator keys

2005-12-27 Thread Danilo Šegan
Yesterday at 12:34, Raphael Higino wrote: > I can't use Á as the accelerator since it requires multiple keystrokes. Can't you use decomposed form? I.e. "_Álbum" (Pango should[1] still show it the same, though it's in practice of a bit worse appearance depending on the font; for reference, I use

Re: non-latin accelerator keys

2005-12-27 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 12/21/05, Matthias Clasen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 04:22 +0800, Abel Cheung wrote: > > cation that the accel key is "x" not "o"? > > > > > > No, but the use case for this is probably situations where the user > > > understand that the underlined 'o' means that he has to

Re: non-latin accelerator keys

2005-12-27 Thread Raphael Higino
> This is a compromise that would also work for Vietnamese, since we > have a preponderance of dead-key-accented vowels. But how will we > make sure the user knows which key to press? I think it won't be a big deal. At least here in Brazil users tend to think computers interpret characters with an

Re: non-latin accelerator keys

2005-12-27 Thread Clytie Siddall
On 25/12/2005, at 3:53 PM, Clytie Siddall wrote: This is a compromise that would also work for Vietnamese, since we have a preponderance of dead-key-accented vowels. But how will we make sure the user knows which key to press? Correction: there are several keyboard layouts/input methods fo

Re: non-latin accelerator keys

2005-12-24 Thread Clytie Siddall
On 24/12/2005, at 10:04 PM, Raphael Higino wrote: I see. Something like "gl_[u]ücklich", so pressing alt-u can activate the item? But this one, it really shows an important use of this feature. It would really help me with some translations in order to make some accelerators more intu

Re: non-latin accelerator keys

2005-12-24 Thread Raphael Higino
Hi, folks. > > > One question not entirely related: let's say "f_[x]oo", is there > > > any hint or visual indication that the accel key is "x" not "o"? This example leads us to thinking such feature would never be used or be intuitive. > > No, but the use case for this is probably situations wh

Re: non-latin accelerator keys

2005-12-21 Thread Clytie Siddall
This is not the same problem, but the topic is the same. Although Vietnamese uses a Roman alphabet, the meaning in words is differentiated by tones. We also have several additional vowel sounds which the normal Roman alphabet can't represent. This results in a system of combined diacritics,

Re: non-latin accelerator keys

2005-12-21 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 04:22 +0800, Abel Cheung wrote: > cation that the accel key is "x" not "o"? > > > > No, but the use case for this is probably situations where the user > > understand that the underlined 'o' means that he has to press the x > > key. E.g. if there is a standard input method whi

Re: non-latin accelerator keys

2005-12-21 Thread Abel Cheung
On 12/22/05, Matthias Clasen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have a number of questions here: > > > - Does this sound like a reasonable thing to do ? (the risk of > > > accidentally stripping something thats not an accelerator is > > > probably minimal, but not 0. > > > > Indeed, there can b

Re: non-latin accelerator keys

2005-12-21 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 03:47 +0800, Abel Cheung wrote: > Hi, > > On 12/22/05, Matthias Clasen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323956 > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104112 > > > > The first bug complains about the fact that the "(_F)" form in w

Re: non-latin accelerator keys

2005-12-21 Thread Abel Cheung
Hi, On 12/22/05, Matthias Clasen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323956 > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104112 > > The first bug complains about the fact that the "(_F)" form in which > many CJK strings display the accelerator is not fully strippe

non-latin accelerator keys

2005-12-21 Thread Matthias Clasen
Hey, I have been looking at these bugs yesterday: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323956 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104112 The first bug complains about the fact that the "(_F)" form in which many CJK strings display the accelerator is not fully stripped out when show