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ies do not qualify as "out-of-the-ordinary", yet that's the sort of
documentation of changes one expects to fine in a changelog, tho they
would only be "noise" in the proposed "news" system, and shouldn't
generate news messages at all.
Perhaps this is something
ch I /do/ remember, great! I just don't recall seeing it there,
and tho I don't run apache myself, am of the opinion changes as big as
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John Myers posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
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> On Sunday 06 November 2005 13:38, Duncan wrote:
>> I don't believe the apache upgrade issues were announced on the announce
>> list.
> For the record, it was sent to th
Ciaran McCreesh posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted
below, on Sun, 06 Nov 2005 21:47:47 +:
> On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 14:38:47 -0700 Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | While I agree with the point you make, I don't believe the apache
> | upgrade issues were anno
want to operate that way, nor
could I imagine doing so, but I realize the point made that obviously,
others are missing all the warning signs and seeing it there might be the
last warning that does some good. That's a GOOD thing! It's just not
personally good enough that I'd prioritize
eliable practice is the target, but with only one meeting,
there simply hasn't been enough "practice" yet to determine "reliable". =8^)
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l the stale
symlinks in seen and unseen, thereby eliminating the need for portage to
worry about cleaning them out at sync, so it must only manage adding new
ones.
As with distdir and packagedir, make.conf should have a variable
controlling the location of newsdir.
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Georgi Georgiev posted
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Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:27:47 +0900:
> maillog: 11/11/2005-05:48:50(-0700): Duncan types
>> Perhaps $PORTDIR/news, with seen and unseen subdirs (and appropriate
>> no-sync settings on the subdirs)
>
> Re
will probably end up being last to implement it's part, but by the
time it does, the other outlet methods will likely be decently on the way,
and chances are, the regulars in the forums and on the user list will have
already taken and run with the idea, so a not insignificant portion of
age database and restore enough
symlinks manually, to be able to run bunzip2 again, and open up the binpkg
(FEATURES=buildpkg) in mc's virtualfs and copy over the rest of the
symlinks. Even if not, that's why I have snapshotted root dirs, so I
could have rebooted into one of those to fix it
y assuming it can
collect such info from make.conf is sourcing the file using bash, or if it
too understands the source directive, no problem, but if not, it could be
a serious problem!
FWIW, I've experienced no issues here. (I don't use distcc, so that
already mentioned issue doesn't
at which time we can all take a drink
>> of our preferred beverage while I do the upgrade.
>
> Never drink and upgrade. ;)
LOL!
Thou shalt not drink and upgrade, for it shall cause thy brain to believe
typing in -5 without looking, while doing an etc-update, is a /good/ thing!
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of work, but still under serious supervision and without the
authority to make any heavy decisions without going thru someone else
first.
This proposal is of course recognizing that I might at some point have
such and address myself... I'd be comfortable with it -- actually more so
option. If it's hardware RAID, you of course go with the capacities the
hardware supplies, and I'd guess RAID6 is a less common option, certainly
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ertainly eliminate any infra concerns with the subdomain, since
it eliminates the subdomain, yet it fills all the other requirements as I
can see them, anyway, and is consistent with the "suggestion" language of
the GLEP as passed.
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stronger yellow or a stronger green (or would choose a dark cyan, similar
to the background of the phparchitect ad, for the white backgrounded
stuff, and a lighter cyan similar to that of the sevenl
Ciaran McCreesh posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted
below, on Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:57:49 +:
> On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 07:49:11 -0700 Lares Moreau
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | On Sun, 2005-11-20 at 04:29 -0700, Duncan wrote:
> | > If the capacity is there, go RAID6
g Google do all the hard work means it's both
easy implementation, and easy on our hardware since it's just passing thru
to Google. If we can finagle a box or two (or mirroring, hardware and
bandwidth and benefitting from their connectivity!, directly located at
two or more Google loca
Paul de Vrieze posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted
below, on Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:20:28 +0100:
> On Monday 21 November 2005 12:04, Duncan wrote:
>> * Set the base tag. I sometimes save web pages for my own use, and
>> like them to work when I do. Adding a tag would be
p://tinyurl.com/ (points to)
http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=java%40gentoo.org
That way, both those who don't want to trust a blind link, and those that
are reading the list o
change the root, if necessary. My previous suggestion, intern,
would work, or assistant, or something else. Tester is of course short
and concise, but intern or assistant would be more generic, allowing the
possiblity of other non-tester additions, in the future, with the same
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.) If that's all I can find, when I'm LOOKING to
find fault... =8^)
This is getting very close to what I'd call the "perfect" page, far closer
than I thought was even /possible/ on "complex" content, given the imposed
project constraints as you outlined. It
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Henrik Brix Andersen posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
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> On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 03:14:25AM -0700, Duncan wrote:
>> OK, this is a gripe of mine, so...
> [snip unuseful rant]
Political point: Calling someone's hard
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Marius Mauch posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
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> On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:39:08 -0700
> Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Here's the proposal again. If there's an issue with it, shoot it down,
>> b
the biggest day of commercial greed in the entire
year, as the opening day of the biggest season of commercial greed,
obsensibly as preparation for the day of celebration of the birth of Jesus
Christ, the man seen as the Son of God, and quoted as saying it's easier
for a camel to pass thru the eye
Chris Gianelloni posted
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Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:29:15 -0500:
> On Wed, 2005-11-23 at 13:06 -0700, Duncan wrote:
>> From an outside perspective, I'm sure it's amazing and crass that USians
>> see nothing unusual about the n
tely quashes my previous understanding, and
with it, the proposed solution.
Thanks for making it clear to me. Shot down, indeed, but that's exactly
what I asked for! =8^) Too bad it wasn't that simple!
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Jason Stubbs posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted
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> All the way up until FEATURES="noman" is changed to FEATURES="man"...
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>>
> I don't think so. Especially when all of those are not something very core
> system. The amount of global use flags is already quite long.
>From past comments I've read, here, three packages with the same USE
flag is absolute minimum to start consider
cross-linked to a library, only calling an independant executable (avicap,
maybe?). I don't see any indication that mjpegtools works with the
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gain.
Again, the above is simply IN MY OPINION as a reader of all three
locations (this thread, the GWN entry, and the blog entry, in that order),
and a Gentoo user, simply trying to "read the tea leaves" well enough
to get some sense of what's ahead for him on this journey that
nt it the
next time I do an emerge -e world?
Maybe it was because I was using -KuD also, to remerge/upgrade from binary
packages? (Hard disk trouble, I was remerging the binary packages to
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as just too obvious not to be mentioned
if it was happening to everyone, or whatever.
Anyway, I have an explanation for what had been an unexplained anomaly,
now, and my level of peace with the world just went up accordingly, so
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eaworld
#!/bin/bash
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ly tie the two together, complicating life for both. Let
each be argued on its merits separately, and when/if multiple repo is
actually close enough to deployment that there's some actual rules to work
with, /then/ worry about fixing this to match.
If I'm incorrect, just tell me to go back
e thing before commenting please.
I did.
FWIW & IMO... Your tenacity and attention to detail are both extremely
good qualities to have in someone doing a GLEP. Few have the attention to
detail and self-standards necessary, and I fear many that do would give up
due to the barrage of critici
Ciaran McCreesh posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted
below, on Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:20:00 +0000:
> Duncan wrote:
>
> | Ciaran McCreesh posted ...
> |
> | > * Changed /var/lib/portage to /var/lib/gentoo
> |
> | OK, I must have missed the reason for that
>
>
e
files) might be preferable.
As I said, I run reiserfs for everything here, but I also have backup
images of stuff I know I want to keep.
> Are there any application-specific tweaks
As I mentioned, -O3 is often best for multimedia stuff,
encoders/decoders/streamers and the like, while -O2, o
DE doesn't like it at all
> Actually, I'm running KDE with -Os right now...
Same here, and I've been running it with -Os over a year, IIRC, even
when it was supposedly causing issues. Of course, I'm on amd64, which
might have something to do with it, if the issues were x86(32) on
elatively simple to implement, given the number of other variables
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>> to rewrite that bullet point.
>>
> How about
>
> * During ``emerge --ask``, the same as for ``emerge --pretend`` (i.e.
> after the package list)
>
> ?
I had mentioned this earlier.
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the backups, tho... if only because I
happened to have an mc instance running in another vt at the time, and I
was able to use it to restore enough symlinks manually, to read the
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make.conf and be done with it. Meanwhile, USE=arts remains an entirely
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lit into entirely separate files, then, shouldn't
affect performance at all over stripped, and be rather better performing
than debug information stored in the same file.
That's only what I've read. I have no special knowledge on the subject,
and if what I read was incorrect, than
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> and if what I read was incorrect, than so is the above.
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and if you u
ate an ebuild from one upstream
versiion to the next, after a security bump to -rX. We would't
want to lose the ebuild version change documentation just because revision
zero was removed after the security bump. (Keywording entries for ebuilds
no longer in-tree, however, aren't very us
uch as
Greg KH seems to thrive on all his projects, managing to be more
productive on all of them than many devoting all their time to the
project. Again, that shouldn't be a problem, for those that can
effectively handle it, and for those that can't, well, it's a volunteer
situation, a
o let you provide gcc-frontend-c, gcc-frontend-c++,
> gcc-backend-x86-linux etc packages.
That begs the question... how is it then possible for gcj/java, gnat/ada
and the like? Are some languages treated differently upstream? (Curious
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> On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 05:26:44 -0700 Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | That begs the question...
>
> No it doesn't.
>
> http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors
here,
does more harm than good. I'm with Brian, here. If we want progress, we
gotta slack off on the regulation a bit and give the folks actually down
there getting their hands dirty some room to work, at least if we aren't
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> On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 03:26:03 -0700 Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | Anyone who thinks Gentoo isn't progressing simply isn't seeing the
> | forest for all the t
m in the definition, will be the same thing as
keeping the "Linux", from the viewpoint of the many tending toward the BSD
side of the FLOSS community.
What word to use in place of "distribution", when one wants to include the
BSDs and other "non-distributions" as
there's enough conflict with what
makes Gentoo great at what it does today, that such efforts should be
separate from Gentoo itself.
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Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò posted
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> On Friday 06 January 2006 09:37, Duncan wrote:
>> Well, for that matter, "distribution" is considered at least by my *BSD
>> friends, t
) the previous threads. It was only a
small mention, however, so you might have missed it. I might have myself,
had I not commented on -a functionality myself earlier, and was therefore
watching for discussion of that aspect in particular.
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Hmm.. as I'm looking... looks like the documentation list, which I've
been meaning to join, is on gmane. Subscribing while I'm thinking about
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Jan Kundrát posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on
Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:02:57 +0100:
> Duncan wrote:
>> My thinking too, until I saw the portage dev (JStubbs?) mention it wasn't
>> needed.
>>
>> I believe the thinking is that emerge --ask is
em will by definition catch bugs unseen on a single
kernel/userland, thus making both Gentoo and the upstream packages (since
we submit patches upstream) more robust. That's /always/ going to be a
good thing!
Thanks again. I don't believe I would have seen that particular angle on
my o
assigned that belong to the stable tree only.
However, that should be minimal and manageable.
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a, but will ignore it and
perform the extraction anyway.
It's really quite a clever system. Whoever came up with it came up with
a very good thing, in my book! =8^)
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Drake Wyrm posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted
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> http://qwantz.com/index.pl?comic=693
Apropos indeed. Thanks!
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a user vote may be worth. Ciaran has
made excellent use of it with his GLEP work. For what my opinion's worth,
there's no other person who could steer a complicated and therefore
implementation controversial GLEP such as that thru the process better
than he. In all aspects he has done a
Roy Marples posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted
below, on Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:31:21 +:
> On Tuesday 10 January 2006 08:19, Duncan wrote:
>>
>> I've noticed that with baselayout-1.12 (not sure on <1.12 as I didn't
>> notice it, tho that might mea
se is a bit jarring. What
about making that sentence read...
> However, for the sake of clarity and professionalism, it is important
> that any language problems be corrected before inflicting a news item
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, if the news item including the date is considered
as a single unit, there could be some confusion if a news-item is referred
to by differing filenames other than the country-code portion,
particularly if the reference doesn't include the directory name (which is
of course the news-item ID, therefore avoi
snapshot or two. This will of course solve that problem for me.
=8^)
Of course, I've been grabbing directly off of kernel.org. Now I'll have
to figure out how to adapt my scripts to use the portage tree
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as in the case at hand. There's was no single standard solution agreed
to, as it appeared no one was sufficiently interested to push one,
figuring more important things, like squashing real functionality bugs,
was more import
eeds to be addressed, I'd
consider it no worse than anything else on the list, and probably
relatively minor compared to some of the other hurdles to be cleared on
the way to a decent enterprise Gentoo. I believe the biggest hurdles
will be finding the folks to do it and coordinating them to ac
elegated to any specific usage. It is simply a release tree,
> with frozen package versions.
Good point. "Ultra-stable" tree, then, or as I'm more likely to consider
it, "hoary old archaic" tree. =8^) To each his own, I guess...
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to fit square pegs into crescent-moon-shaped holes here, so some
sort of guide is SURE to prove beneficial.
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know that existed. It could be quite useful here on
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; Limiting that is beyond the scope of portage.
There's one point in the kmail/kdepim (split/monolithic) build where with
USE=kdeenablefinal on AMD64, a single process takes > 700 meg, based on my
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s no way to check this, and instead has to hardcode
> "env:pkg:conf:auto:defaults" as the default USE_ORDER just like portage
> does.
According to previous posts, USE_ORDER will be going away with
use.defaults, because that was really the only reason it was there in the
first place as there'
x27;s one thing I
haven't messed with (yet?), so /I/ was keeping quiet.
Maybe I misunderstood the entire thing, but I don't think so because I
remember being rather unconfortable with it just being outright dismissed
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long as there are hints here during that time and more dire warnings a
week in advance, it's a good thing, not a bad thing, and as Spyderous
says, it's what ~arch users are signing up for by going ~arch in the first
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e nor there, but for some reason, I prefer "emerge -NuD world".
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Stephen Bennett posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted
below, on Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:31:32 +:
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:08:40 -0700
> Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Neither here nor there, but for some reason, I prefer "emerge -NuD
>> world"
r xorg-x11 and its new VIDEO_CARDS and INPUT_DEVICES, some sort
of control over whether all that is displayed would be useful.
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ke you that are interested,
but do some research and get in contact with the devs with similar
interests, and see what you can do, then as part of /that/ group, come
back when the proposal is ready for further discussion, having addressed
the known issues as much as possible, and possibly to be adopted.
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t narrowly so in definition, and it's not my effort,
so I get overruled.No further reservations, at this point, and due
to the backward compatibility, this GLEP would seem much more workable
than the "4-tuple" GLEP, so good idea!
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Alin Nastac posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on
Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:38:05 +0200:
> When you have thousands of small files (1-4 blocks), the space saved by
> removing all unnecessary whitespaces is minimal at best.
Of course, that depends on the filesystemm used... .
John Mylchreest posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
excerpted below, on Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:02:58 +0000:
> Duncan, you make some valid points but for the sake of ease for the rest
> of us, could you please try condense the mails down from several pages? :)
I've been proud of myself
user's bug, possibly/likely conveying the
message that they are not welcome as a Gentoo user, or worse yet to
someone already unstable, that their whole life is INVALID.
Thanks, Daniel!
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"Every nonfree program has a lord, a maste
or whatever), then maybe I need
reminding, so let me know! OTOH, if the bug includes "I tried bumping the
last ebuild to use the new sources and it worked fine", or "... and it
broke at ", that's far more valuable than just a bump request,
and I'd treat it so. (In fac
Daniel Drake posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on
Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:11:51 +0000:
> Duncan wrote:
>> I'd /not/ really wish to encourage version bump requests "overnight".
>> That's jumping the gun, and indeed, could encourage "first p
Simon Stelling posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on
Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:39:06 +0100:
> Duncan wrote:
>> Consider this: INVALID is strong enough, under the wrong circumstances,
>> that it /could/ set an emotionally unstable user off, causing them to
>>
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