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owser of any kind.
You really need to check your facts before posting.
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ctually have links in the base profile iirc, either way, the
> example of where this breaks down is headless servers...
There are no web browsers in the base profile, the stages, nor in the
"system" target for any architecture or project.
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s/handbook/txt/install.txt
No web browser, so can you please quit beating this dead horse. It
isn't even funny anymore.
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surely lose.
What is it for SPARC again? 4MB for both kernel + initrd?
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emerge/enews.
Right. This is the entire point that Stuart was making from the
beginning. The *only* thing that we can guarantee users will look at
when doing updates is portage itself. Anything else is ancillary to the
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really not our fault when the user base
doesn't read what is sitting in front of them, plainly on the screen.
Thank you for proving my point.
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On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 11:05 -0500, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
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> > On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 20:36 -0500, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
> >
> >>So you installed your server without reading *any* docum
ny other
> issues preventing this from becoming a reality?
There should be no issues anymore. I was planning on doing this myself
at some point. Are you wanting to do this, or should I?
Also, what are the valid "status" entries? Is it just dev and stable?
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packages installed.
> > Don't worry I'll shut up now as there is clearly no interest for a bit
> > broader thinking.
>
> I find your thinking anything but broad on this topic.
*cough*
Pot. This is kettle.
*grin*
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I'd prefer the news reader have both read and delete options. I also
think we would need a searchable archive of all news items. I'd really
prefer it was a web page, rather than trying to search a mailing list
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> (easily accessible by all devs, though not necessarily in a direct way)
> and should be replicated to as many channels as possible (the website
> being one of them).
How about gentoo/news in CVS?
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news *only*
delivered by portage. By your own admission, you want to reach 100% of
the users. The only effective way to do this is to essentially carpet
bomb the information into several mediums, all containing the *same*
information. Think about how advertising works. The idea is to put
your &quo
r two day event, but that I won't know unless I get
interest ;). Let me know what you all think and I'll go from there.
PLEASE REPLY OFF LIST
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On Sat, 2005-11-12 at 00:57 +, Stuart Herbert wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 18:22 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > It seems to be your own quest to have the news *only*
> > delivered by portage.
>
> I thought I'd been very clear in the email that you've rep
a message, it is gone. This means an external news
reader (enews anyone?) that basically has the capability to read, skip,
or delete these news items.
I think this would be pretty simple to get done and covers the problem
of messages being read or unread. Of course, this is all just an idea,
so fe
o that folks can begin implementing
> other user-view delivery methods relatively quickly. Should that be done,
> portage will probably end up being last to implement it's part, but by the
> time it does, the other outlet methods will likely be decently on the way,
> and chance
bash) for accessing and updating news items. I'd
> prefer the latter but I get the impression that most prefer the former.
I believe that we have been under the impression that you guys preferred
to keep this out of portage as much as possible. I think an API built
into portage
On Sun, 2005-11-13 at 22:34 +, Stuart Herbert wrote:
> On Sat, 2005-11-12 at 10:26 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > If users are interested in non-critical information, there's already a
> > mechanism in place for them to get such things. They can join the
> >
ted.
> So what's the general opinion about this? Having all these different
> files makes it harder to add config changes, not by much but noticably,
> so personally I'd like to get rid of them, but if there is a good
> reason for them to stay I can live with that.
Without
ses where it does not. While I agree that it
shouldn't be required to have CHOST in make.conf, it *is* currently a
requirement, and has been for as long as I can remember.
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urprising us when we're in the middle of release
building.
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On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 20:01 +, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 02:52:28PM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 20:19 +0100, Marius Mauch wrote:
> > > Was just about to finally commit the elog related config stuff into
> > > make
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 03:30 +0100, Marius Mauch wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:54:01 -0500
> Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 20:26 +0100, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 15 November 2005 20:19,
re is already a place for this stuff.
> Maybe we should add the ability to filter news based on some sort of
> geographical setting too? That'd be a reasonable thing to add to the
> GLEP I think.
It really sounds like you are wanting to make this proposal way too
complex, but I'
I don't get where people think
it is "ricer" though. Perhaps you guys forget what a meta-distribution
is and the "infinite possibilities" that it presents to the user.
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Ge
ome confusion over maintainer transition for this package at one
time but we have worked it out. As for 1.38.[01], I will have it committed
to portage when I have some time in the near future, but please be aware
that it will spend some time in ~arch just like every other pacakge.
Thanks,
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. Infact, even the handbook
> makes no refference of it. This takes Gentoo another step closer to other
> distros like Ubuntu.
>
> A dissapointed user,
> Varun Dhussa
> India
>
> - End forwarded message -
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configured kernel.
Now, on the topic of the tarballs.
Give me one example of something that you can do with a stage1 or stage2
tarball that you cannot with a stage3 tarball.
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ot; complaints
> whenever we change something for the better.
Exactly.
It sounds like we are letting ourselves be swayed by a few heated words
from someone who is obviously shooting for a reaction.
If we give in, the terrorists have won.
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On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 16:26 +0100, Marc Hildebrand wrote:
> Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> [..]
> > Now, on the topic of the tarballs.
> >
> > Give me one example of something that you can do with a stage1 or stage2
> > tarball that you cannot with a stage3 tarball.
&g
On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 16:26 +0100, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 10:10:14AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > Personally, I would like to see stage1 and stage2 go away completely.
> > They serve no real purpose anymore after the changes we have made to th
ook has
already reduced the number of errors being reported by new users to me.
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> If you need help, please ask for it and at least try and get some of
> that load off of you so that we don't take things out of gentoo simply
> because of the lack of time.
I did.
I got exactly *0* responses.
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On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 17:15 +0100, Wernfried Haas wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 10:48:06AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > > > Give me one example of something that you can do with a stage1 or stage2
> > > > tarball that you cannot with a stage3 tarball.
>
>
On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 11:19 -0500, Thomas Kirchner wrote:
> * On Nov 22 10:15, Chris Gianelloni (gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
> > It isn't pretty much anymore. It *is* exactly the same.
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you're going to attempt to get the s
t back in or split off into it's own stage1.xml doc.
I've already agreed that I have no problem with an additional document
that instructs on these advanced concepts.
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On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 11:15 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
> Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 09:54 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
> >
> >>>As I am now not only the Release Engineering lead, but also the x86
> >>>Release Coordinator, I
On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 23:10 +0530, Abhay Kedia wrote:
> On Tuesday 22 Nov 2005 10:09 pm, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > *sigh*
> >
> > Another "Gentoo is about choice" argument. Can I ask you something?
> > Where does it say that Gentoo is about choice? I see lo
On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 12:03 -0600, Grant Goodyear wrote:
> Chris Gianelloni wrote: [Tue Nov 22 2005, 09:15:27AM CST]
> > > Well, if we could educate the users that stage2 tarballs are totally
> > > pointless, and that running bootstrap.sh followed by emerge -e system
&
hich they did. These problems have
been resolved by making the stages fuller. However, in doing so, we
reduced the legitimate need for having these stages to almost nothing.
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ybody is just up in arms over a knee-jerk reaction to not
reading carefully. What it boils down to is either not knowing the
facts, or trolling/flaming.
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On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 21:16 +0100, Jakub Moc wrote:
> 22.11.2005, 20:57:15, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
>
> > The idea was to move out the stage1/stage2 docs to somewhere else. Then
> > create some sort of "Advanced Installation Topics" guide or something, to
> > l
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r "system" and is now wanting kernel sources, or has pulled in a MTA
or cron daemon that wasn't the one they wanted.
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On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 22:36 +0100, Jakub Moc wrote:
> 22.11.2005, 21:58:50, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
>
> >> That FAQ section has nothing in common with the original stage1 docs.
> >> Sorry,
> >> installing stage3 to remove all the use flags cruft subsequently,
On Wednesday 23 November 2005 11:18, Luis F. Araujo wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> A few days ago i glanced over package.mask , and i was surprised
> about how many non-existent ebuild/packages entries are there.
er:
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105016
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nced
Installation Topics" type guide that will not only give information on
the lower stages, but also how to make a "stage1 install" from a stage3
tarball. It will likely also cover things like Hardened, provided they
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probably do it after the Thanksgiving holiday.
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On Wed, 2005-11-23 at 19:30 +0100, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
> On Wednesday 23 November 2005 19:15, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > I'd be willing to make all the changes to the tree to facilitate this,
> > and unless someone has a really good reason not to do so
On Wed, 2005-11-23 at 12:52 -0600, Brian Harring wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 01:15:52PM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > OK. I've been looking at some of these issues we've been having, and
> > I've been thinking of moving enewuser, egetent, and enewgroup
On Wed, 2005-11-23 at 11:40 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
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> | outside my scope) once they are installed, only to insta
into paradise! Interesting commentary on our culture!
What the hell does this have to do with Gentoo development?
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On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 03:44 +, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 01:15:52PM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > OK. I've been looking at some of these issues we've been having, and
> > I've been thinking of moving enewuser, egetent, and enewgroup
a guess I'd say 4 months
> till stable (but really, that's just a guess, see the 2.1 fiasko).
I think I would rather see the multi-hash support now, rather than
later, as it seems to be something our users are asking about and it
seems like all the work is really there for an implem
ge, as you said. They would need to create a symlink
from /etc/make.profile to /usr/portage/profiles/obsolete/$arch, then
they would need to emerge --oneshot sandbox portage. After that, they
can upgrade to a supported profile.
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heard any
good objections by November 30th, I'll make the change. This will *not*
be retroactive to any previous release profiles.
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On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 19:34 +, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 08:54:41AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 03:44 +, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 01:15:52PM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > > >
e weeks for catalyst 2.0, which is current in
pre-release testing and is masked. Fell free to unmask it and play with
it, as it works fine. We are just wanting to iron out the last few bugs
before releasing it, so feel free to bang away on it and report any
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festival and festival lite (festival and flite), which
somewhat do the same thing with regards to tts. In fact, this is somewhat
needed for kde-base/kttsd to work properly, as it needs the appropriate tts
daemon to provide its services.
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E=udev in those profiles?
I think it should be set in default-linux. This means it would need to
be use.mask'd on any 2.4 profiles. The real issue here is what happens
to anyone that uses both 2.4 and 2.6 from the same profile?
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-tv/linuxtv-dvb-firmware ebuild.
What will the ebuild do if DVB_CARDS is not set?
Please make it download/install them all.
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verything c++
> related on the system.
Except the binary apps that you don't have the source to be able to
recompile. So now we're right back where we were, aren't we?
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t it to a specific profile, it really
makes it a pain in the ass, especially for two versions that are almost
compatible, as opposed to the profiles that we have done in the past
where we were going from things like gcc2 to gcc3, that were not very
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On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 15:03 +, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 09:50:34AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 09:51 +0100, Gregorio Guidi wrote:
> > > Every user _must_ be instructed to run
> > > 'revdep-rebuild --soname li
On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 10:42 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 15:03 +, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 09:50:34AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 09:51 +0100, Gregorio Guidi wrote:
> > > > Every us
On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 18:37 +0100, Andreas Proschofsky wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 16:04 +, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 10:52:11AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > > broken /usr/lib32/openoffice/program/gconfbe1.uno.so (requires
> > > li
On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 23:19 +, Stuart Herbert wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 09:16 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > I'd like to add the apache2 USE flag to 2006.0's profile. This would
> > not resolve bug #95140, but would keep users from hitting
On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 16:34 -0800, Michael Stewart (vericgar) wrote:
> Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > I'd like to add the apache2 USE flag to 2006.0's profile. This would
> > not resolve bug #95140, but would keep users from hitting it by default.
> > With apache being
a profile is we *already have* people on 2005.0
and 2005.1 profiles running gcc 3.4, so it means causing a much more
disruptive upgrade for all ~x86 users, or anyone who has merged gcc 3.4
explicitly already.
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On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 07:01 +0100, Matthias Schwarzott wrote:
> On Monday 28 November 2005 22:37, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 21:53 +0100, Matthias Schwarzott wrote:
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > If nobody objects I will add DVB_CARDS to USE_EXAPAN
On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 12:53 +0100, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 November 2005 01:11, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 23:19 +, Stuart Herbert wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 09:16 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 09:22 -0500, Michael Cummings wrote:
> Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > Here's the deal. We have a new user that installs Gentoo. After
> > installing Gentoo, he tries to "emerge nagios" and it dies on building
> > apache over a bug that ha
tree.
> > Plus, your solution does not work retroactively to repair
> > issues with the 2005.0, 2005.1, or 2005.1-r1 stages, while mine does.
>
> tell users to stop using stage[12], you're already going that route :p
That still will not fix the issue.
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Well, the "advantages" are simple. Upstream no longer supports 3.3
anymore. They barely support 3.4, but having some support from upstream
is better than none. This means 3.3 will be relegated to a legacy
version and likely won't be up
ing as how I have been on the
receiving end of this border-line harassment for making a change that
doesn't hurt anything, I don't want anyone on my team to make the same
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I don't see that happening at .
>
> uhh, what ? dev.gentoo.org is a redirect to www.gentoo.org
>
> other wise it just hosts users' home dirs ... i dont see what the
> redesign has to do with either
Well, that and anyone that uses the XSL, etc form their dev directory
*will* get
er SRC_URI?
1 less byte?
Why not just SRC? Is there a reason why it must have URI when it isn't
one?
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app's in the list by replacing yours with it, then running 'emerge -ep
> world'.
Nevermind that last email since you sent out your world.
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body else on the team is
> taking care of it, so if someone uses it, it would be good if it stepped
> up...
Umm...
!meta DirectFB
wolf31o2-work: Package: dev-libs/DirectFB Herd: games
Maintainer: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What are you talking about?
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On 08/12/05, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Another package is taking a long long way that goes out of portage.
> I'm running out of openings for these mails, you know?
>
> Alternative dvd-ripping software is present in portage, starting from mencoder
> and its frontends, an
by "override", but here's a crazy idea ... ask
> upstream to fix the issues. for example, we just reported executable
> stacks with the ut2004 game and Ryan of epicgames was so kind as to
> fix it up for us. some upstream peeps dont even know about these sort
>
by "override", but here's a crazy idea ... ask
> upstream to fix the issues. for example, we just reported executable
> stacks with the ut2004 game and Ryan of epicgames was so kind as to
> fix it up for us. some upstream peeps dont even know about these sort
> of things
On Wednesday 14 December 2005 20:00, Michael Cummings wrote:
er.. why not just do an advanced query for all bugs assigned / cc'ed to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] How that doesn't accomplish the same thing...
> Just a thought as i try to recall where i left that can of coffee,
> ~mcummi
On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 02:37 +0900, Chris White wrote:
> On Wednesday 14 December 2005 20:00, Michael Cummings wrote:
>
> er.. why not just do an advanced query for all bugs assigned / cc'ed to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] How that doesn't accomplish the same thing...
Because
On Thursday 15 December 2005 04:30, Simon Stelling wrote:
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~chriswhite/flame.html
Moved it:
http://dev.gentoo.org/~chriswhite/docs/flame.html
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As for
benchmarks, I think the issue is it depends entirely on usage. Having
something that is 30% faster on paper isn't very useful if you never do
it the way the benchmark does. I wish I had more numbers/examples here,
but there isn't really much in the way of decent benchmarks published
On 19/12/05, Peter Johanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Or maybe not, I dunno. The point being I don't think we should immediately
> write off
> any of the distributed SCMs without pondering how they might make a
> difference or be usable.
It would be very useful for people who aren't devs b
n't exactly the best plan for this.
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On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 13:13 +, Roy Marples wrote:
> On Wednesday 21 December 2005 12:49, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 14:36 +, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > > since we have baselayout-1.12.x in ~arch, the new stable candidate
> > > (1.11.14)
On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 14:26 +, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 07:49:37AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 14:36 +, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > > since we have baselayout-1.12.x in ~arch, the new stable candidate
> > > (1.1
On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 14:45 +, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 09:30:56AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 13:13 +, Roy Marples wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 21 December 2005 12:49, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 2
we're also having the situation of missing other
important documentation as well. This all should be checked the first time a
package is imported/version bumped for consistancy.
> I'd rather not see the change.
Chris White
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user, since
everyone will want something different. Perhaps allowing for longer USE
descriptions would work?
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and around we go.
Why can't both RDEPEND on the other? This works perfectly fine for many
packages in the tree. A circular dependency isn't a bad thing if
they're both in RDEPEND, it is when they're both in DEPEND that causes
an issue.
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r should I write one
> report for each package?
The policy is pretty much if it doesn't compile, you get to fix it. If you
have a patch then report it to bugzilla.
> Thanx...
>
> Dirk
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On 31/12/05, Carsten Lohrke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's
> - broken
Works for me, and I can't see any bugs in bugzilla?
> - dead upstream
Not true, mailing list is active, last post Dec 27th, and the author
responds to emails.
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sers.
I wouldn't have a problem with seeing ChangeLog in a default
RSYNC_EXCLUDES with a nice comment explaining how to get the ChangeLog
files. This way we are removing the problem by default, educating
users, and still not removing any data or options for our users and
developers.
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