On 2/15/16 8:43 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
> On 02/15/2016 01:20 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 10:38 PM, Anthony G. Basile
>> wrote:
>>> We discussed the state of libressl today in the council.
>>> Proceeding forward with that work, I'm going to propose a new
>>> p
Anthony G. Basile:
> Before I put up a project page, can I ask who is interested in this?
>
If I can help with my tinderbox [1] - I'd appreciate it.
[1] http://www.zwiebeltoralf.de/tinderbox/index.html
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On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 07:11:26AM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 4:29 AM, Alexis Ballier wrote:
> > On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 19:34:52 -0600
> > William Hubbs wrote:
> >
> >> And, as for right now, udev-229 is in the tree, so udev can still be
> >> extracted and run standalone fr
All,
I have a bug that points out a significant issue with
/etc/init.d/mount-ro in OpenRC.
Apparently, there are issues that cause it to not work properly for file
systems which happen to be pre-mounted from an initramfs [1].
This service only exists in the Linux world; there is no equivalent in
On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 11:45:41 -0600
William Hubbs wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 07:11:26AM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 4:29 AM, Alexis Ballier
> > wrote:
> > > On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 19:34:52 -0600
> > > William Hubbs wrote:
> > >
> > >> And, as for right now, udev
On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 1:05 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
>
> The reason it exists is very vague to me; I think it has something to do
> with claims of data loss in the past.
>
Is there some other event that will cause all filesystems to be
remounted read-only or unmounted before shutdown?
You defin
Alexis Ballier schrieb:
It would probably generate controversy indeed, but my comment was more
to understand what is the root of the f34R of udev being absorbed by
systemd: "it is supposedly unsupported upstream and might not work at
some point".
Well, as far as I can see, you are maintaining sys
On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 07:34:20PM +0100, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
> Alexis Ballier schrieb:
> > It would probably generate controversy indeed, but my comment was more
> > to understand what is the root of the f34R of udev being absorbed by
> > systemd: "it is supposedly unsupported upst
On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 01:22:13PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 1:05 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
> >
> > The reason it exists is very vague to me; I think it has something to do
> > with claims of data loss in the past.
> >
>
> Is there some other event that will cause all fi
All,
there is a branch in the OpenRC github repo called supervisor.
On that branch, I am working on a lightweight daemon supervisor that
will be native to OpenRC.
It is based on start-stop-daemon, but it will stay around and make sure
that the daemon gets restarted if it dies.
It is still very
Sorry about the messed up quoting, somehow enigmail and format=flowed do
not work well together.
William Hubbs schrieb:
Maybe FUD is the incorrect way to put it, but I think us doing > something about it at this point is definitely premature since >
KDBUS is no where near ready to go -- they were forced to retract > it a
while back because they had to re-think the design.
kdbus got sent
On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 19:34:20 +0100
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
> Alexis Ballier schrieb:
> > It would probably generate controversy indeed, but my comment was
> > more to understand what is the root of the f34R of udev being
> > absorbed by systemd: "it is supposedly unsupported upstream
Alexis Ballier schrieb:
I also fail to see how udev using a new linux ipc would make it require
systemd. Quoting Lennart:
"You need the userspace code to set up the bus and its policy and handle
activation. That's not a trivial task. For us, that's what sytemd does
in PID 1. You'd need to come up
On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 19:53:48 +0100
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
> William Hubbs schrieb:
> > Maybe FUD is the incorrect way to put it, but I think us doing
> > something about it at this point is definitely premature since
> > KDBUS is no where near ready to go -- they were forced to re
On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 12:51:17 -0600
William Hubbs wrote:
> there is a branch in the OpenRC github repo called supervisor.
Interesting!
> It is still very rough, and not ready for production, but at this
> point I would like to make everyone aware that it exists and ask
> folks to go over the co
On 02/16/2016 07:05 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
> All,
>
> I have a bug that points out a significant issue with
> /etc/init.d/mount-ro in OpenRC.
>
> Apparently, there are issues that cause it to not work properly for file
> systems which happen to be pre-mounted from an initramfs [1].
I don't unders
On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 20:14:03 +0100
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
> Alexis Ballier schrieb:
> > I also fail to see how udev using a new linux ipc would make it require
> > systemd. Quoting Lennart:
> > "You need the userspace code to set up the bus and its policy and handle
> > activation. T
On 02/16/2016 08:33 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 20:14:03 +0100
> Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
>
>> Alexis Ballier schrieb:
>>> I also fail to see how udev using a new linux ipc would make it require
>>> systemd. Quoting Lennart:
>>> "You need the userspace code to set up t
On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 20:14:03 +0100
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
> Alexis Ballier schrieb:
> > I also fail to see how udev using a new linux ipc would make it
> > require systemd. Quoting Lennart:
> > "You need the userspace code to set up the bus and its policy and
> > handle activation. T
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On 02/16/2016 10:05 AM, William Hubbs wrote:
> All,
>
> I have a bug that points out a significant issue with
> /etc/init.d/mount-ro in OpenRC.
>
> Apparently, there are issues that cause it to not work properly for
> file systems which happen to
On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Patrick Lauer wrote:
> The whole discussion, which seems to turn everyone into a raging
> squirrel, is about changing the default provider of a virtual. All other
> providers will continue being listed and available. The change affects
> none of the current userbas
On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 20:33:55 +0100
Michał Górny wrote:
[...]
> This all is going into some bickering nonsense and noise made by
> systemd haters just to feed their troll, FUD and whatever else they
> made around here.
>
> So, yes, we should definitely switch to semi-maintained,
> semi-documented
On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
wrote:
>
> This claim was made by upstream, no less. And it refers to *running* udev
> without systemd as opposed to building (which upstream already made
> impossible).
>
> Here is the exact wording:
> "Unless the systemd-haters prepar
On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Patrick Lauer wrote:
>
> The failure message comes from rc-mount.sh when the list of PIDs using a
> mountpoint includes "$$" which is shell shorthand for self. How can the
> current shell claim to be using /usr when it is a shell that only has
> dependencies in $LI
On 2/16/16 3:05 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Patrick Lauer wrote:
>> The whole discussion, which seems to turn everyone into a raging
>> squirrel, is about changing the default provider of a virtual. All other
>> providers will continue being listed and available. The
On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:09:23 -0500
Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
> wrote:
> >
> > This claim was made by upstream, no less. And it refers to
> > *running* udev without systemd as opposed to building (which
> > upstream already made impossible
On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:26:46 -0500
"Anthony G. Basile" wrote:
> On 2/16/16 3:05 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Patrick Lauer
> > wrote:
> >> The whole discussion, which seems to turn everyone into a raging
> >> squirrel, is about changing the default provider of a
Brian Dolbec schrieb:
Thank you for bringing this information to the forefront of this debate.
So, is it not better for us Gentoo-er's that wish to not install
systemd, to set the default non-systemd udev to eudev.
Note that I am not advocating for or against this move. I was just pointing
ou
On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 07:32:08PM +, James Le Cuirot wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 12:51:17 -0600
> William Hubbs wrote:
>
> > there is a branch in the OpenRC github repo called supervisor.
>
> Interesting!
>
> > It is still very rough, and not ready for production, but at this
> > point I
Michał Górny schrieb:
This all is going into some bickering nonsense and noise made by
systemd haters just to feed their troll, FUD and whatever else they
made around here.
As you directed this reply at me: If you think that calling out someone for
labeling valid concerns as "pure FUD" is itse
On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 20:57:31 +0100
Patrick Lauer wrote:
> On 02/16/2016 08:33 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
> > This all is going into some bickering nonsense and noise made by
> > systemd haters just to feed their troll, FUD and whatever else they
> > made around here.
> You call it hate, I call it
On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 16:04:42 -0600
William Hubbs wrote:
> > I wonder if it might even make more sense to reuse one of these
> > instead of reinventing the wheel. They are both extremely
> > lightweight. If you feel you can do better though then go for it!
>
> We have s6 support in OpenRC, and
Alexis Ballier schrieb:
If it's just that, it's not limited to udev, but anything using
kdbus/bus1, and would mean openrc/${favorite init system} will have
to do the same thing anyway. But again, almost 2 years is extremely
old considering all the flux that has been around kbus.
OpenRC itself c
On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 10:58:10 -0500
Rich Freeman wrote:
> Well, if debugging is your only concern, on the system you're going to
> debug from:
> touch herds.xml
Don't do that.
rhill@tundra /usr/portage/dev-util/creduce $ repoman
RepoMan scours the neighborhood...
[INFO] checking package dev-uti
On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 23:16:41 +0100
Michał Górny wrote:
> > > Because certainly
> > > project that is created plainly for political reasons is better.
> > > Because it will certainly be technically better if people have to
> > > focus on copying regular udev maintainers and reworking their
> > > c
On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 23:16:41 +0100
Michał Górny wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 20:57:31 +0100
> Patrick Lauer wrote:
>
> > On 02/16/2016 08:33 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
> > > This all is going into some bickering nonsense and noise made by
> > > systemd haters just to feed their troll, FUD and wh
On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Ryan Hill wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 10:58:10 -0500
> Rich Freeman wrote:
>
>> Well, if debugging is your only concern, on the system you're going to
>> debug from:
>> touch herds.xml
>
> Don't do that.
>
> rhill@tundra /usr/portage/dev-util/creduce $ repoman
>
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On 02/08/2016 01:49 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 04:13:38 -0800 Daniel Campbell
> wrote:
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>> On 02/07/2016 03:09 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
>>> On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 11:38:27 +0100 "
William Hubbs posted on Tue, 16 Feb 2016 12:41:29 -0600 as excerpted:
> What I'm trying to figure out is, what to do about re-mounting file
> systems read-only.
>
> How does systemd do this? I didn't find an equivalent of the mount-ro
> service there.
For quite some time now, systemd has actuall
On 02/08/2016 04:08 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote:
> Ohey,
>
> I've opened a bug at:
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573922
>
> The idea here is to change the order of the providers of virtual/udev.
> For existing installs this has zero impact.
> For stage3 this would mean that eudev is pulle
On 02/08/2016 07:46 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 10:08:22 +0100
> Patrick Lauer wrote:
>
>> Ohey,
>>
>> I've opened a bug at:
>> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573922
>>
>> The idea here is to change the order of the providers of virtual/udev.
>> For existing installs thi
James Le Cuirot posted on Tue, 16 Feb 2016 22:19:44 + as excerpted:
> Oh, that's cool! Now I come to think of it, I believe it was this effort
> that made me aware of s6 in the first place but I'd forgotten about it
> since. Now I feel dumb.
Umm... I think there was supposed to be a break, he
On 02/08/2016 10:09 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 7:58 PM, Anthony G. Basile
wrote:
>>
>> what does in-house tool mean? i'm a gentoo developer but i also work
>> on an upstream project (eudev) that 14 distros use.
>>
>> some of the criticism given here are my concerns as well a
Michał Górny posted on Tue, 16 Feb 2016 23:16:41 +0100 as excerpted:
> On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 20:57:31 +0100 Patrick Lauer
> wrote:
>
>> On 02/16/2016 08:33 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
>> > This all is going into some bickering nonsense and noise made by
>> > systemd haters just to feed their troll, FU
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 15:35:12 +0100
Michał Górny wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 14:37:41 +0100
> "Justin Lecher (jlec)" wrote:
> > On 15/02/16 13:59, Michał Górny wrote:
> > > On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 09:16:53 +0100
> > > "Justin Lecher (jlec)" wrote:
> > >> _isdp_big-warning() {
> > >> debug-print-f
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On 02/16/2016 07:49 PM, Duncan wrote:
> James Le Cuirot posted on Tue, 16 Feb 2016 22:19:44 + as
> excerpted:
>
>> Oh, that's cool! Now I come to think of it, I believe it was this
>> effort that made me aware of s6 in the first place but I'd
>>
On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 21:54:31 -0500
Richard Yao wrote:
> On 02/08/2016 07:46 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
> > On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 10:08:22 +0100
> > Patrick Lauer wrote:
> >
> >> Ohey,
> >>
> >> I've opened a bug at:
> >> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573922
> >>
> >> The idea here is to c
On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 22:48:08 -0600
Ryan Hill wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 15:35:12 +0100
> Michał Górny wrote:
> > On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 14:37:41 +0100
> > "Justin Lecher (jlec)" wrote:
> > > On 15/02/16 13:59, Michał Górny wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 09:16:53 +0100
> > > > "Justin L
Dnia 17 lutego 2016 03:09:18 CET, Daniel Campbell napisał(a):
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>On 02/08/2016 01:49 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
>> On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 04:13:38 -0800 Daniel Campbell
>> wrote:
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>>> On 02/07/2
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:39 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
> The games team was pretty much formed of two kinds of developers back then.
> One kind was retired developers, the other kind was developers who did what
> they cared about and ignored everything and everyone else. Bugs, join
> requests, c
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