Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-14 Thread Michał Górny
On pon, 2017-08-14 at 18:39 -0400, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:20:26 -0700 > Rich Freeman wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 5:26 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. > > wrote: > > > > > > Portage supports sets, but the PMS has no mention. Then there is > > > debate on what

Re: [gentoo-dev] [FRC] News item: Changing USE flags for >=app-backup/bacula

2017-08-14 Thread Michał Górny
On wto, 2017-08-15 at 06:55 +0200, tom...@gentoo.org wrote: > Quoting Rich Freeman (2017-08-15 00:29:19) > > On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > On pon, 2017-08-14 at 21:58 +0200, Thomas Beierlein wrote: > > > > > > > > * 'bacula-clientonly' becomes 'clientonly' > > > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [FRC] News item: Changing USE flags for >=app-backup/bacula

2017-08-14 Thread tomjbe
Quoting Rich Freeman (2017-08-15 00:29:19) > On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > On pon, 2017-08-14 at 21:58 +0200, Thomas Beierlein wrote: > >> > >> * 'bacula-clientonly' becomes 'clientonly' > > > > This is still negative logic in disguise. clientonly = noserver. True. See

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-14 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:20:26 -0700 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 5:26 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. > wrote: > > > > Portage supports sets, but the PMS has no mention. Then there is > > debate on what they are. Creating so much noise it drowns the bug > > request and makes it invali

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-14 Thread Gordon Pettey
On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 4:46 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Sat, 12 Aug 2017 09:55:02 -0500 > Gordon Pettey wrote: > > > On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Alexander Berntsen > > wrote: > > > > > While the PMS perhaps hasn't been an unequivocal success, it's > > > still a good effort with

Re: [gentoo-dev] [FRC] News item: Changing USE flags for >=app-backup/bacula

2017-08-14 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > On pon, 2017-08-14 at 21:58 +0200, Thomas Beierlein wrote: >> >> * 'bacula-clientonly' becomes 'clientonly' > > This is still negative logic in disguise. clientonly = noserver. > >> * 'bacula-nodir' will be replaced by 'director' but with inve

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-14 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 5:26 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > Portage supports sets, but the PMS has no mention. Then there is debate > on what they are. Creating so much noise it drowns the bug request and > makes it invalid. Despite the need still existing, and PMS lacking > anything on se

Re: [gentoo-dev] [FRC] News item: Changing USE flags for >=app-backup/bacula

2017-08-14 Thread Michał Górny
On pon, 2017-08-14 at 21:58 +0200, Thomas Beierlein wrote: > Title: Changing USE flags for >=app-backup/bacula-9.0.3 > Author: Thomas Beierlein > Content-Type: text/plain > Posted: 2017-08-14 > Revision: 1 > News-Item-Format: 1.0 > Display-If-Installed: > Until now Bacula ebuilds uses the follow

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-14 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Sat, 12 Aug 2017 09:55:02 -0500 Gordon Pettey wrote: > On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Alexander Berntsen > wrote: > > > While the PMS perhaps hasn't been an unequivocal success, it's > > still a good effort with some success. I would be disappointed to > > see the proposed change, and view

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-14 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:09:15 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Peter Stuge wrote: > > > > I am sure > > that portage developers gnash their teeth at blockers stemming from > > PMS, but I wholeheartedly believe that Gentoo, PMS and Portage are > > all better off for it.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-14 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 4:42 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > I cannot explain why those who do portage development are not the PMS > authors. > Have you considered asking them? -- Rich

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-14 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 18:42:21 + Peter Stuge wrote: > Alexander Berntsen wrote: > > While the PMS perhaps hasn't been an unequivocal success, it's > > still a good effort with some success. I would be disappointed to > > see the proposed change, and view it as a bad sign for Gentoo. > > As f

[gentoo-dev] [FRC] News item: Changing USE flags for >=app-backup/bacula

2017-08-14 Thread Thomas Beierlein
Bacula ebuilds uses some weird USE flags with mostly negative logic ('do not build ..') coming from their build system. With the actual major release (bacula-9.0.3) we should try to switch to something more sane. I picked up the new flags from app-backup/bareos as both ebuilds have a common anches

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-14 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Peter Stuge wrote: > > I am sure > that portage developers gnash their teeth at blockers stemming from > PMS, but I wholeheartedly believe that Gentoo, PMS and Portage are > all better off for it. > Honestly, I've yet to see any portage developers complaining abou

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-14 Thread Peter Stuge
Alexander Berntsen wrote: > While the PMS perhaps hasn't been an unequivocal success, it's still a > good effort with some success. I would be disappointed to see the > proposed change, and view it as a bad sign for Gentoo. As far as technical documentation about how ebuilds work (the core of Gent

Re: [gentoo-dev] Revisions for USE flag changes

2017-08-14 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Sun, 13 Aug 2017 12:12:39 -0400 Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 08/13/2017 12:06 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > > > > There is a down side you didn't talk about -- more work for the arch > > teams and for us in terms of stabilizations. > > > > When we revbump, a new revision automatically gets ~ ke

Re: [gentoo-dev] Revisions for USE flag changes

2017-08-14 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 19:50:14 -0400 Michael Orlitzky wrote: > We have a pull request for the devmanual that will update the revision > documentation; namely, when to create a new one: > > https://github.com/gentoo/devmanual.gentoo.org/pull/67 > > The comments bring up an issue that I think can

[gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs

2017-08-14 Thread Amy Liffey
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Revisions for USE flag changes

2017-08-14 Thread Jason Zaman
On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 09:05:58PM +1000, Michael Palimaka wrote: > On 08/12/2017 08:29 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 5:57 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > >> On 08/12/2017 03:03 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > >>> > >>> Please provide some examples of recent in-place USE changes that