On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 06:52:04PM -0500, Dan Meltzer wrote:
> 1) Why post to forums.g.o if its on www, why would one check forums
> instead of www.
Redundancy - to get the attention of those folks that for whatever
reason visit the forums and not www.gentoo.org in a specific time
interval. The mor
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:11:37 +0900 pclouds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| Just curious how other distros deliver important news to their users?
By sticking out a new "everything is incompatible" release once or
twice a year.
--
Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron)
Ma
[quote]
All proposed news items must be posted to the ``gentoo-dev`` or
``gentoo-core`` mailing list, and ``Cc:``\ed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] at least
72 hours before being committed (exceptions may be made in exceptional
circumstances). Any complaints regarding wording or clarity **must** be
addressed
Just curious how other distros deliver important news to their users?
On 10/30/05, Chris White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It has made somewhat painfully obvious as of late as to the lack of a
> centralized source of updates for users. This has recently become true
> moreso with the apache2 conf
Dan Meltzer wrote:
> That works, I suppose my point was, if you are going to be adminning
> from a box with a webbrowser anyways, why not just use that
> aforementioned webbrowser to check www.g.o? what is the benefit of
> news/ over that?
So you are going to tell www.g.o what your installed system
On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 02:24:40AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:16:30 -0600 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> | On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 01:51:25AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> | > ``Posted:``
> | > Date of posting, in ``dd-mmm-`` format (e.g. 14-Aug-200
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:25:29 -0500 Dan Meltzer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| That works, I suppose my point was, if you are going to be adminning
| from a box with a webbrowser anyways, why not just use that
| aforementioned webbrowser to check www.g.o? what is the benefit of
| news/ over that?
It
That works, I suppose my point was, if you are going to be adminning
from a box with a webbrowser anyways, why not just use that
aforementioned webbrowser to check www.g.o? what is the benefit of
news/ over that?
On 10/31/05, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:08:1
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:16:30 -0600 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 01:51:25AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > ``Posted:``
| > Date of posting, in ``dd-mmm-`` format (e.g. 14-Aug-2001).
| > Mandatory.
|
| Don't have a good arguement as to why it should b
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:08:19 -0500 Dan Meltzer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| WRT links in file updates, this seems completely backwards. If a user
| was admining over ssh, it would be far easier for them to load www.g.o
| in their browser vs. copying link from terminal to their browser, but
| for t
On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 09:08:19PM -0500, Dan Meltzer wrote:
> I spoke to you about this in PM, but I think I didn't make it clear,
> so here we are :)
>
> WRT links in file updates, this seems completely backwards. If a user
> was admining over ssh, it would be far easier for them to load www.g.
On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 01:51:25AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> ``Posted:``
> Date of posting, in ``dd-mmm-`` format (e.g. 14-Aug-2001).
> Mandatory.
Don't have a good arguement as to why it should be added, but utc
time seems like it should be included.
> ``Display-If-Installed:``
I spoke to you about this in PM, but I think I didn't make it clear,
so here we are :)
WRT links in file updates, this seems completely backwards. If a user
was admining over ssh, it would be far easier for them to load www.g.o
in their browser vs. copying link from terminal to their browser, but
The attached GLEP is a draft proposal for the emerge --news thing that's
been under discussion. There are still some TODO items. These are calls
for people to weigh in with suggestions. Of course, suggestions on other
items are good too...
There is currently no explanation as to why this GLEP shou
Stuart Herbert posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
excerpted below, on Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:05:33 +:
> The original problem is that GWN, forums, planet.g.o, gentoo-dev - even
> together, we've seen that they just don't reach enough of our user base.
> Aren't we just going to reach the same people by p
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Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 01:42 +, Stuart Herbert wrote:
>
>>There is *only one time* we can guarantee that we'll have a user's
>>attention. That's right after the message that tells a user how many
>>CONFIG_PROTECT files th
Stuart Herbert posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
excerpted below, on Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:56:19 +:
>> Reading gentoo-announce should be mandatory.
>
> I think that statement ignores a basic human truth - that not every user
> likes using mailing lists. Just like not every user likes using forums.
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:36:23 +0900 Chris White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| Attached in plain text form is glep 42 for the discussed thread.
This isn't a GLEP. It's a list of vague ideas that doesn't propose
anything concrete or discussable.
--
Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools
Xavier Neys posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on
Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:55:40 +0100:
> Number of users subscribed to gentoo-announce: 7,988
> Total number of GETs on our home page and news feed in a *single day*: 75,302
> from 19,240 different IPs (on Sunday 2005-10-30).
I read announce
Xavier Neys posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on
Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:55:47 +0100:
> Maybe it would be easier to have a bugzilla alias, have news items be
> posted to b.g.o and let an extended pr team review and publish (or
> discard). As long as the news item is properly written and po
Bah, replied to fast.
Other points of note...
1) Why post to forums.g.o if its on www, why would one check forums
instead of www.
2) Theoretically it could be crossposted to the forums, probably
simplest to do as a direct mysql insert, which'd be messy.
3) --news, my point of reamage.
This is
On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 08:36:23AM +0900, Chris White wrote:
> Attached in plain text form is glep 42 for the discussed thread.
> emerge --news support
> -
>
> As already mentioned by Stuart, in this way users are bound to the one thing
> guaranteed on their system: Portage. T
s/where headstarted by a blog post by Stuart/where headstarted by bug 11359/
To jump right in :)
On 10/31/05, Chris White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Attached in plain text form is glep 42 for the discussed thread.
>
> It's rather long, but I hope it details any sort of questions that may be
> b
Attached in plain text form is glep 42 for the discussed thread.
It's rather long, but I hope it details any sort of questions that may be
brought up.
Chris White
GLEP: 42
Title: Centralized User Updates
Version: $
Last-Modified: $
Author: Chris White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Status: Draft
Type: Stan
On Monday 31 October 2005 09:17 am, Lance Albertson wrote:
> Implementing --news will take time. Implementing more news on our site
> now takes little work and can be easily done. Outside of these two
> options, what is better? I'd say a constant reminder in the GWN would be
> helpful. Maybe we cou
Grant Goodyear wrote:
> Although I'm the nominal maintainer of dev-python/quixote, I don't use
> it for anything and I've been having difficulties finding someone to
> take over maintenance. If nobody wants it then I'm going to suggest we
> yank it from the tree and let the people who need it grab
Although I'm the nominal maintainer of dev-python/quixote, I don't use
it for anything and I've been having difficulties finding someone to
take over maintenance. If nobody wants it then I'm going to suggest we
yank it from the tree and let the people who need it grab versions from
bugzilla.
Best
On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 03:56:08PM -0500, Dave Shanker wrote:
> What about Portage auto generating a upgrade file
> (/usr/portage/notices (like it does with it's cache) and then
> providing a notice at the end of an emerge than lets the user know
> it's there and how to read it. We could even provi
Hi,
On 10/31/05, Dave Shanker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What about Portage auto generating a upgrade file
> (/usr/portage/notices (like it does with it's cache) and then
> providing a notice at the end of an emerge than lets the user know
> it's there and how to read it. We could even provide a
On Monday 31 October 2005 21:07, David Morgan wrote:
> Why not log all the e{info,warn}s into a file, and then tell the user
> about them at the end of the emerge (in the same way they are told about
> changes in /etc)? Said file should then be safe to delete if desired.
>
> Mailing this info inste
What about Portage auto generating a upgrade file
(/usr/portage/notices (like it does with it's cache) and then
providing a notice at the end of an emerge than lets the user know
it's there and how to read it. We could even provide a switch in
portage to read the file and display the notices (emerg
On 19:05 Mon 31 Oct , Stuart Herbert wrote:
> > Maybe we could add a big news warning in the next minor portage
> > update that when you tells you about the new news features (perhaps a
> > big einfo after you upgrade.
>
> The problems of einfo messages not reaching our users have been well
>
On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 19:07 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> So that every user will be spammed with news items about PHP changes,
> even if they don't use PHP?
Only if I can spam you twice :P
Best regards,
Stu
--
Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gentoo Dev
On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 19:03 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:55:40 +0100 Xavier Neys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | Simon Stelling wrote:
> | > Reading gentoo-announce should be mandatory. If a user breaks his
> | > system because he didn't know about an important fact due to
On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 19:55 +0100, Xavier Neys wrote:
> Number of users subscribed to gentoo-announce: 7,988
> Total number of GETs on our home page and news feed in a *single day*: 75,302
> from 19,240 different IPs (on Sunday 2005-10-30).
Do you have any *useful* stats for www.g.o, like the num
Stuart Herbert wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 18:11 +0100, Simon Stelling wrote:
Doesn't make much sense to me. The biggest benefit from --news over other,
traditional channels would be that it's linked to the tree, meaning, if you
emerge a new kernel version which doesn't contain devfs any
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:56:19 + Stuart Herbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| You're talking about a reactive news system, telling users about the
| consequences of their actions. I'm after a pro-active news system,
| telling users about what will change, so that they have the
| information they
On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 11:17 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
> Implementing --news will take time.
It'll take time to get a Portage release out which supports this
functionality, sure. Implementing the functionality wouldn't take very
long at all.
> Implementing more news on our site
> now takes l
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:55:40 +0100 Xavier Neys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| Simon Stelling wrote:
| > Reading gentoo-announce should be mandatory. If a user breaks his
| > system because he didn't know about an important fact due to his
| > lazyness, that's not our problem. Of course they will stil
Hi,
On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 18:11 +0100, Simon Stelling wrote:
> Doesn't make much sense to me. The biggest benefit from --news over other,
> traditional channels would be that it's linked to the tree, meaning, if you
> emerge a new kernel version which doesn't contain devfs anymore, the ebuild
>
Simon Stelling wrote:
Reading gentoo-announce should be mandatory. If a user breaks his system
because he didn't know about an important fact due to his lazyness,
that's not our problem. Of course they will still bitch, so let's
introduce RESOLVED RTF_ML_.
Number of users subscribed to gentoo
Stuart Herbert wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 08:40 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
>
>>>Well, I think that if users knew that information would be on these
>>>places, they might actually check them. Currently, little to no
>>>information ever makes it to either of these locations, so users never
>
Hi,
Stuart Herbert wrote:
It would be great if emerge --news displayed the same news as www.g.o.
Doesn't make much sense to me. The biggest benefit from --news over other,
traditional channels would be that it's linked to the tree, meaning, if you
emerge a new kernel version which doesn't co
On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 08:40 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
> > Well, I think that if users knew that information would be on these
> > places, they might actually check them. Currently, little to no
> > information ever makes it to either of these locations, so users never
> > bother to check them.
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 01:42 +, Stuart Herbert wrote:
>
>>There is *only one time* we can guarantee that we'll have a user's
>>attention. That's right after the message that tells a user how many
>>CONFIG_PROTECT files they need to fix by running etc-update.
>
>
> I
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 16:42 +0900, Chris White wrote:
>
>>3) I think it would be a good idea for gentoo-announce to also include front
>>page announcements. This would work well for people that are more email
>>oriented (they use email a lot for business) and would kee
On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 01:42 +, Stuart Herbert wrote:
> There is *only one time* we can guarantee that we'll have a user's
> attention. That's right after the message that tells a user how many
> CONFIG_PROTECT files they need to fix by running etc-update.
I definitely like the --news idea.
>
On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 10:06 +0100, Wernfried Haas wrote:
> 4) Forums. We have the News and Announcements box on the forums and we
>will set sticky threads upon request. In fact we even stick threads
>and posts announcements if we encounter something worth mentioning
>in our opinion. Sin
On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 16:42 +0900, Chris White wrote:
> 3) I think it would be a good idea for gentoo-announce to also include front
> page announcements. This would work well for people that are more email
> oriented (they use email a lot for business) and would keep things
> centralized for t
Sven Vermeulen wrote:
On Sun, Oct 30, 2005 at 04:52:39PM +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote:
The reason why the front page and the gentoo-announce ML (the two
official media for Gentoo -> users information) are under-used is that
approximately 5% of the developers know how to post to them. We should
p
On Sun, Oct 30, 2005 at 04:52:39PM +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote:
> The reason why the front page and the gentoo-announce ML (the two
> official media for Gentoo -> users information) are under-used is that
> approximately 5% of the developers know how to post to them. We should
> probably make them
On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 13:24 +0900, Chris White wrote:
> To be technical, neither will emerge --news. None of the solutions presented
> here will be a 100% effective means of resolving the problem. There will
> always be the one user that doesn't want to listen, and will complain at is.
> What
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