On 14 Feb 2006, at 01:25, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Dain Sundstrom wrote:
I think ServiceMix is the perfect home for a BPEL engine. Every
JBI implementation that I am aware of has and integrated
orchestration
engine exposed via the BPEL specification.
If every JBI implementation has an integ
With the following votes, the Apache Jackrabbit 0.9-incubating
release has been approved.
Binding votes (Jackrabbit PPMC):
+1 Jukka Zitting
+1 Stefan Guggisberg
+1 Dominique Pfister
+1 Peeter Piegaze
+1 Serge Huber
+1 Marcel Reutegger
+1 David Nuescheler
+1 Roy Fi
The Geronimo PMC needs to vote on sponsoring this.
Before you do that, just to start the discussion :
- Why would the Geronimo PMC sponsor this?
- Isn't BPEL a bit far afield from J2EE, which is our charter as a PMC?
- How about bringing it to Agila, which already has a good start on BPEL
and w
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Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> I have committed the ip-clearance for the XBean donation to Geronimo:
>
> http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi?rev=377477&view=rev
>
> If there are no objections, I will commit the code with history on
> Wednesday February 15th
On Tuesday 14 February 2006 15:35, Alan D. Cabrera wrote to
dev@geronimo.apache.org, general@incubator.apache.org,
servicemix-dev@geronimo.apache.org
I thought ServiceMix was in the Incubator. How come the mailing list seems to
indicate something else?? Is this common practice for Geronimo sp
On 14 Feb 2006, at 15:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Allan,
This proposal appears to be gear towards the web services/SOA
community.
Is support for orchestration of non-WS business processes
considered out of
scope for Ode?
No - the code should be reusable for most orchestration needs; even
Allan,
This proposal appears to be gear towards the web services/SOA community.
Is support for orchestration of non-WS business processes considered out of
scope for Ode?
Thanks,
Ian
It's better to be hated for who you are
than loved for who you are not
Ian D. Stewart
Appl Dev Analyst-Advisory
Great!
I'm assuming the source won't be available for review unless/until Ode is
accepted as an incubator poddling?
Ian
It's better to be hated for who you are
than loved for who you are not
Ian D. Stewart
Appl Dev Analyst-Advisory, DCS Automation
JPMorganChase Global Technology Infrastructure
It seems that it has been the common practive for incubating subprojects
(not TLP)
until this vote
http://www.mail-archive.com/general%40incubator.apache.org/msg05956.html.
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Tuesday 14 February 2006 15:35, Alan D. Cabrera wrote to
dev@geronim
Alan, the Sybase developers that will work on this project are
Lance Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cory Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
John Childs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jan-Hua Chu[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sandip Ghayal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bill
On 2/14/06, Alan D. Cabrer
Was cross-posted originally and I didn't on my reply...
Original Message
Subject: Re: Ode Proposal
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:54:47 -0500
From: Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: dev@geronimo.apache.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: dev@geronimo.apache.org
References:
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Bill Flood wrote:
> The source can be found here: ftp://ftp.sybase.com/pub/incoming/wcss/bpe/
- From one of the .java files:
> * Confidential property of Sybase, Inc.
> *
> * Copyright 1987 - 2006.
> *
> * Sybase, Inc. All rights reserved.
> * Unpub
The license is in the tarball. I've also put it at:
ftp://ftp.sybase.com/pub/incoming/wcss/bpe/
-cory
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> Bill Flood wrote:
> > The source can be found here: ftp://ftp.sybase.com/pu
The license is in the tarball and/or you can see it directly at
ftp://ftp.sybase.com/pub/incoming/wcss/bpe/SourceCodeEvaluationAgreement.txtwithout
dowloading the tarball.
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Bill Flood wrote:
> The license is in the tarball and/or you can see it directly at
> ftp://ftp.sybase.com/pub/incoming/wcss/bpe/SourceCodeEvaluationAgreement.txt
> without dowloading the tarball.
Thanks, Bill, Cory!
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On Feb 13, 2006, at 6:17 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 05:40:47PM -0800, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
On Feb 13, 2006, at 5:25 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
I've heard nothing to provide a reason for not bringing in the
contribution
as a standalone podling, which ServiceMix and others ca
FYI, I sent an offline reply to Bill.
On 2/14/06, Bill Flood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dims,
>
> We heard your plea and have moved the proposal through the incubator as you
> suggested. At this point, we are looking for supporters. From the energy
> you put behind your posting, we are all hop
Dims,
We heard your plea and have moved the proposal through the incubator as you
suggested. At this point, we are looking for supporters. From the energy
you put behind your posting, we are all hoping you will also be committed to
helping us drive this forward.
We are also reaching out to the
Alan, I would like to throw my name in the hat and become actively involved.
Bill Flood Sybase [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 2/14/06, Alan D. Cabrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ok. Here's the proposal http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OdeProposal.
> Please feel free to comment.
>
> Bill Flood, can you
Why not just bring into Agila and work on it in there?
Bill Flood wrote:
Dims,
We heard your plea and have moved the proposal through the incubator as you
suggested. At this point, we are looking for supporters. From the energy
you put behind your posting, we are all hoping you will also be c
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> I object. -1.
>
> 1. Where's the proposal to the incubator?
> 2. Where's the discussion on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 3. Where's the notice that some project voted to sponsor this?
> 4. Where's the summary of that vote?
>
Geir, approaching Agila was our first avenue. We looked at what they had
and I initiated several conversations about donating to that incubator
project.
We offered a base line upon which to build but there did not seem to be any
uptake although both committers said they were happy to have us come
Bill Flood wrote:
Geir, approaching Agila was our first avenue. We looked at what they had
and I initiated several conversations about donating to that incubator
project.
We offered a base line upon which to build but there did not seem to be any
uptake although both committers said they were
I'm open to what works best. I think the proposal for Ode is in essence a
fresh starting point for a community. Sybase just happened to submit some
code, which may or may not be accepted and that we thought was passable. In
the end, the community has the last say so we welcome that type of open
As one of the Sybase BPEL developers, this certainly sounds reasonable to
me. Perhaps we can start a discussion around what the "bake off" criteria
will look like ( i.e. what BPEL constructs are fully/half/not supported,
what set of unit tests should be supported, etc ... ). As an example; in
looki
Bill Flood wrote:
I'm open to what works best. I think the proposal for Ode is in essence a
fresh starting point for a community. Sybase just happened to submit some
code, which may or may not be accepted and that we thought was passable. In
the end, the community has the last say so we welc
Lance Waterman wrote:
As one of the Sybase BPEL developers, this certainly sounds reasonable to
me. Perhaps we can start a discussion around what the "bake off" criteria
will look like ( i.e. what BPEL constructs are fully/half/not supported,
what set of unit tests should be supported, etc ...
On 2/14/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In the same way that we built Geronimo from "best of breed" J2EE-ish OSS
> projects that are out there, I'm sure we could do a similar thing with BPEL.
>
> Maybe do a "bake off" to help find the best codebase, and have the
> community colla
Hi,
There is an Incubator announce mailing list at
announce@incubator.apache.org that nobody seems to be using. Is it
supposed to be used?
See:
http://incubator.apache.org/howtoparticipate.html#announce+at+incubator.apache.org
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-announce/
PS. I tr
> Also, I don't at all agree with your comparison of a BPEL Engine to
> Geronimo. I would compare it to the transaction manager within
> Geronimo. It's a discrete component, and we're not going to take the
> best of 20 different projects to make a transaction manager, and I
> don't see why we'd d
> How about making a fresh start then... If the Agila people are
> interested, put out a call for any and all other implementations of BPEL
> that might be donated and build a larger community, mixing the best of
> anything that is donated to get the best BPEL engine and community we can?
I would
On 2/14/06, Jukka Zitting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> because I didn't use my @apache.org address. Is using the @apache.org
> address for release announcements a best practice?
Yes. =) -- justin
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Aaron Mulder wrote:
On 2/14/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
In the same way that we built Geronimo from "best of breed" J2EE-ish OSS
projects that are out there, I'm sure we could do a similar thing with BPEL.
Maybe do a "bake off" to help find the best codebase, and have the
Glad to have you with us Matthieu.
I agree with a lot of your assessment; BPEL is really only part of the
discussion (as being one language for describing interactions with
WSDL-based constructs) while service orchestration is the larger picture.
In that regard, I can understand the transaction m
Bill,
>From what I am reading today between you, Geir, Lance and Mattieu, it seems
that there is an emerging consensus, so if you are all willing, we could add
your team as committers to Agila and import the code base as soon as we have
the software grant (I haven't checked to see if that is alrea
Noel, we do seem to be coming together in prinicipal but it might be best to
achieve our "fresh start" in the practical context of Ode given the support
exhibited by other folks on the submission.
In Apache projects address a certain area of concern (e.g., JAXB, BPEL,
CORBA etc.) but they do so in
So, it's been about two weeks. It seems like this is all the
discussion we are going to get.
What is the next step?
-David
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Hi Matthieu,
I don't think Aaron would disagree with you. Going back to his
transaction manager analogy, a transaction manager is much more
complicated than geronimo the container. Just like a BPLE engine is
much more complicated than a JBI container. The beautiful thing
geronimo and s
David,
The mentors should have karma to setup the status file. At least one of
them has karma to the SVN access control lists. Do we have all of the CLAs
and a Software Grant? If so, *after* the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
has been created, we can import the code under incubator/openejb.
On Feb 14, 2006, at 7:35 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
David,
The mentors should have karma to setup the status file. At least
one of
them has karma to the SVN access control lists. Do we have all of
the CLAs
and a Software Grant?
Ok. I made nearly all the OpenEJB committers sign CLAs wa
David Blevins wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>
> >David,
> >
> >The mentors should have karma to setup the status file. At least
> >one of
> >them has karma to the SVN access control lists. Do we have all of
> >the CLAs
> >and a Software Grant?
>
> Ok. I made nearly all the OpenEJB commit
David Crossley wrote:
> David Blevins wrote:
> > Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> >
> > >David,
> > >
> > >The mentors should have karma to setup the status file. At least
> > >one of
> > >them has karma to the SVN access control lists. Do we have all of
> > >the CLAs
> > >and a Software Grant?
> >
On Feb 14, 2006, at 8:54 PM, David Crossley wrote:
David Blevins wrote:
Is it possible to do a
quick cross-check of our committers list and the CLAs on file? Keep
in mind I have no idea if what i'm asking is hard.
See the list at http://people.apache.org/~jim/committers.html
The top table i
Hi gang,
This whole "how do we do URLs for an xdocs website" stuff is interesting. We
were used to the forrest way of doing things (aka being really intelligent
about it), and now we have the anakia way of doing things (aka, at least
currently, ignoring the fact that we're working with URLss compl
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