Why not just bring into Agila and work on it in there?
Bill Flood wrote:
Dims,
We heard your plea and have moved the proposal through the incubator as you
suggested. At this point, we are looking for supporters. From the energy
you put behind your posting, we are all hoping you will also be committed to
helping us drive this forward.
We are also reaching out to the Agila folks and anyone else who wishes to
get involved.
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OdeProposal
Best,
Bill
On 2/3/06, Davanum Srinivas < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
*IF* that is the objective, then the correct way is to follow the
Apache Incubator process(es) draw up a proposal, name *ALL* the
committers in servicemix who are willing to contribute, add your own
team names, post the proposal to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list.
Ask for more people to join, Proactively invite other folks (from
Apache and outside Apache as well) to join, seek active support of
exising Apache folks who may be interested in joining a BPEL
implementation. For god's sake just check the list of people who wrote
the original BPEL spec and compare it to the people who work at Apache
on web services related stuff and u will see what i mean.
thanks,
dims
On 2/3/06, Bill Flood < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The dependency on Axis should be removed. It's the result of a couple
lines
of dead code. BPEL 2.0 is an objective.
The discussion over where the contribution lands is one of the most
important aspects of the process. Too narrow a scope and the project
could
fail to get critical mass, too wide and folks are worried about the
kitchen
sink. If we can find the right balance we will be well served.
We are not hardwired to any one particular approach and welcome
involvement
from all corners. The ServiceMix approach has a few positives - by in
large
they seem to like our contribution and they have critical mass.
On 2/3/06, Davanum Srinivas < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
I was determined to stay of this, but alas! i could resist asking
this:
Would you be ok to having a stand alone project with committers from
servicemix, your team, people from other backgrounds (could be
existing ws committers) working on this code base, bring it up to say
BPEL 2.0 from BPEL1.1, upgrade it to say Axis2 from Axis 1.3
etc.etc...OR are u insisting that this code has to go into servicemix
and nowhere else...
If it is the latter, why? If it is the former, why is there so much
resistance?
As they say, i'll take your answers off the air.
thanks,
dims
On 2/3/06, Bill Flood < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dims, I'll take Cory off the hook since he was acting in good faith
on
behalf of Sybase :-).
As we are learning, there are a variety of ways to work within the
Apache
process as long as the community is supportive. From the Sybase
perspective, we are interested in working with a vibrant community
in a
meaningful way that balances the needs of the community with that of
our
own.
when we first started thinking about the open source path, we looked
at
Agila and communicated with the developers. While the Agila
developers
were
quite helpful, the project was not open to our contribution and our
assessment was that their existing code line would take substantial
work
to
bring it up to where we thought we already were.
When we looked at ServiceMix, we found a mature community that not
only
appeared open to a contribution such as ours but one which would
help us
establish a good affinity with the ESB. The Sybase folks working on
this
code line will continue to vigorously support the orchestration
component
and provide help in adjacent areas related to SCA.
At this point, we feel comfortable in our contribution to the
ServiceMix
project based on the positive uptake. Under the rules of
meritocracy,
we
will work to ensure that the interfaces remain clean and the build
granular
enough to be reused and hope to work with you in the future.
Best Regards,
Bill
-------Original Message-------
From: Davanum Srinivas < [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Subject: Re: Let's rewind!!! (Re: [VOTE] accept donation of a
business
process engine into the ServiceMix project)
Sent: 02 Feb '06 21:12
Cory,
Could you please get James' help and draft a complete proposal?
Please see
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=incubator+proposal+site%3Awiki.apache.org&btnG=Search
for a list of proposals, their format and their content.
Once the proposal is ready, please post it to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Also,
please take a peek at the documentation on the
http://incubator.apache.org/ site especially w.r.t to the
incubation
process, what to expect and steps involved.
thanks,
dims
On 2/2/06, cory < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> BPEL 1.1 is supported. The code works with Axis 1.3.
>
> Sybase wants this code to be successful within the community
and is
> going to work to support it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -cory
>
> On 2/2/06, Davanum Srinivas < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > There is no proposal, there is just a zip, unless someone is
a
> > clairvoyant, we can't figure out things like. *PLEASE* CC
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > - Which specific version of the spec is implemented?
> > - Where are the list of known issues?
> > - Where is the TODO list?
> > - Why is Axis version 1.2 RC1 (and not even Axis 1.2 final
even
if we
> > forget that the current version is Axis 1.3)
> > - Is there any relation to workflow?
> > - Is there no opportunity for interaction with our Existing
incubation
> > project Agila?
> > - Are there people from sybase who will be working?
> > - Geronimo is becoming an umbrella rapidly and now ServiceMix
wants
to
> > be one too?
> > - Why are people talking as though the code is FINAL
> > (Quoting greg - "there is no need to develope a community
around
this code")
> > (Quoting Rob - "If you've looked at the proposed donated
code,
this
> > BPEL engine is complete, I can't see any sense in combining
it
with
> > something else ?" )
> > - Do *ANY* of the existing servicemix committers know this
code
inside out?
> > - If people are not going to touch this contrib code with a
barge
pole
> > then why should it be accepted?
> >
> > thanks,
> > dims
> >
> > On 2/2/06, James Strachan < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > We have received the generous donation of a complete and
working
BPE
> > > engine to the ServiceMix project...
> > >
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/geronimo-servicemix-dev/
> > > 200602.mbox/%
> > >
[EMAIL PROTECTED] %3e
> > >
> > > the contributor has offered to donate to Apache & complete
the
> > > necessary software grants & IP clearance and to work with
us on
> > > integrating it into ServiceMix.
> > >
> > > For those of you maybe not aware; ServiceMIx is an ESB
project
> > > defined around JBI (JSR 208) the JCP standard API to
integration
> > > components along with being the standard container model
for a
BPE.
> > > ServiceMix already has the JBI container and has a suite of
JBI
> > > integration components already for smart routing,
transformation,
> > > rules, scripting, auditing etc...
> > >
http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/Components
> > >
> > > So it makes complete sense to add a BPE to that component
suite.
Note
> > > that since ServiceMix already has integration components to
Apache
> > > Axis and Apache Tuscany, the integration of the BPE with
ServiceMix
> > > should benefit those projects too (with Apache Synapse
possibly
too
> > > via the Axis integration - though we need to work on that
one a
bit).
> > >
> > > Also having a BPE fully integrated into Geronimo via the
JBI
> > > container would mean that we could start to orchestrate
pretty
much
> > > everything in the Geronimo stack! I'm certainly very
excited by
this
> > > move...
> > >
> > >
> > > [ ] +1 accept the donation into the ServiceMix incubator
project
> > > [ ] 0 don't mind either way
> > > [ ] -1 I object because: .......
> > >
> > >
> > > Here's my +1
> > >
> > > James
> > > -------
> > > http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/
> >
>
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