As one of the Sybase BPEL developers, this certainly sounds reasonable to me. Perhaps we can start a discussion around what the "bake off" criteria will look like ( i.e. what BPEL constructs are fully/half/not supported, what set of unit tests should be supported, etc ... ). As an example; in looking through the Agila code ( which could have rendered faulty assumptions ) it appears that the BPEL "Scope" construct is not currently supported. I rate "Scope" as quite important to have in a BPEL implementation and its not a simple thing to implement. Likewise, I am sure there are criteria that the Sybase donated engine does not fully measure against.
Lance On 2/14/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Bill Flood wrote: > > Geir, approaching Agila was our first avenue. We looked at what they > had > > and I initiated several conversations about donating to that incubator > > project. > > > > We offered a base line upon which to build but there did not seem to be > any > > uptake although both committers said they were happy to have us come in > and > > provide coding help on what they already had. > > I don't really know. I wasn't part of that conversation, although I did > have a few discussions w/ people after this all started. > > I expect that what you just said might have been the problem. They > already had a BPEL engine, and it sounds like you were suggesting they > stop and reboot on your codebase. After all, they have some users and > wouldn't want to just drop them. > > > I was a little mystified. > > Jumping in and bringing their stuff up to where we already were seemed > > counter productive given the large gap in code maturity and capability > so we > > passed. > > > > Based on the support we have seen for our contribution from others in > Apache > > thus far, I have to believe that our impression wasn't just the result > of > > our inherent subjectivity > > > > I believe we did approach them in good faith and I'm not sure why there > was > > disinterest in our offer via Agila but here we are. We left the > previous > > conversation on good terms. At this point, my preference would be that > the > > Agila folks look at the contribution and see if they want to become part > of > > that larger community for this new baseline. To me, it's not about > > ownership, it's about critical mass in the community to carry something > > forward. > > How about making a fresh start then... If the Agila people are > interested, put out a call for any and all other implementations of BPEL > that might be donated and build a larger community, mixing the best of > anything that is donated to get the best BPEL engine and community we can? > > In the same way that we built Geronimo from "best of breed" J2EE-ish OSS > projects that are out there, I'm sure we could do a similar thing with > BPEL. > > Maybe do a "bake off" to help find the best codebase, and have the > community collaborate around that? (I'm not sure what that would > entail, actually...) > > Would you be interested in that? > > geir > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
