FYI, I sent an offline reply to Bill. On 2/14/06, Bill Flood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dims, > > We heard your plea and have moved the proposal through the incubator as you > suggested. At this point, we are looking for supporters. From the energy > you put behind your posting, we are all hoping you will also be committed to > helping us drive this forward. > > We are also reaching out to the Agila folks and anyone else who wishes to > get involved. > > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OdeProposal > > Best, > > Bill > > > On 2/3/06, Davanum Srinivas < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > *IF* that is the objective, then the correct way is to follow the > > Apache Incubator process(es) draw up a proposal, name *ALL* the > > committers in servicemix who are willing to contribute, add your own > > team names, post the proposal to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. > > Ask for more people to join, Proactively invite other folks (from > > Apache and outside Apache as well) to join, seek active support of > > exising Apache folks who may be interested in joining a BPEL > > implementation. For god's sake just check the list of people who wrote > > the original BPEL spec and compare it to the people who work at Apache > > on web services related stuff and u will see what i mean. > > > > thanks, > > dims > > > > On 2/3/06, Bill Flood < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The dependency on Axis should be removed. It's the result of a couple > lines > > > of dead code. BPEL 2.0 is an objective. > > > > > > The discussion over where the contribution lands is one of the most > > > important aspects of the process. Too narrow a scope and the project > could > > > fail to get critical mass, too wide and folks are worried about the > kitchen > > > sink. If we can find the right balance we will be well served. > > > > > > We are not hardwired to any one particular approach and welcome > involvement > > > from all corners. The ServiceMix approach has a few positives - by in > large > > > they seem to like our contribution and they have critical mass. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/3/06, Davanum Srinivas < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > > > I was determined to stay of this, but alas! i could resist asking > this: > > > > > > > > Would you be ok to having a stand alone project with committers from > > > > servicemix, your team, people from other backgrounds (could be > > > > existing ws committers) working on this code base, bring it up to say > > > > BPEL 2.0 from BPEL1.1, upgrade it to say Axis2 from Axis 1.3 > > > > etc.etc...OR are u insisting that this code has to go into servicemix > > > > and nowhere else... > > > > > > > > If it is the latter, why? If it is the former, why is there so much > > > resistance? > > > > > > > > As they say, i'll take your answers off the air. > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > dims > > > > > > > > On 2/3/06, Bill Flood < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Dims, I'll take Cory off the hook since he was acting in good faith > on > > > > > behalf of Sybase :-). > > > > > > > > > > As we are learning, there are a variety of ways to work within the > > > Apache > > > > > process as long as the community is supportive. From the Sybase > > > > > perspective, we are interested in working with a vibrant community > in a > > > > > meaningful way that balances the needs of the community with that of > our > > > > > own. > > > > > > > > > > when we first started thinking about the open source path, we looked > at > > > > > Agila and communicated with the developers. While the Agila > developers > > > were > > > > > quite helpful, the project was not open to our contribution and our > > > > > assessment was that their existing code line would take substantial > work > > > to > > > > > bring it up to where we thought we already were. > > > > > > > > > > When we looked at ServiceMix, we found a mature community that not > only > > > > > appeared open to a contribution such as ours but one which would > help us > > > > > establish a good affinity with the ESB. The Sybase folks working on > > > this > > > > > code line will continue to vigorously support the orchestration > > > component > > > > > and provide help in adjacent areas related to SCA. > > > > > > > > > > At this point, we feel comfortable in our contribution to the > ServiceMix > > > > > project based on the positive uptake. Under the rules of > meritocracy, > > > we > > > > > will work to ensure that the interfaces remain clean and the build > > > granular > > > > > enough to be reused and hope to work with you in the future. > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > > > From: Davanum Srinivas < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Let's rewind!!! (Re: [VOTE] accept donation of a > > > business > > > > > process engine into the ServiceMix project) > > > > > > Sent: 02 Feb '06 21:12 > > > > > > > > > > > > Cory, > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please get James' help and draft a complete proposal? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please see > > > > > > > > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=incubator+proposal+site%3Awiki.apache.org&btnG=Search > > > > > > for a list of proposals, their format and their content. > > > > > > > > > > > > Once the proposal is ready, please post it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Also, > > > > > > please take a peek at the documentation on the > > > > > > http://incubator.apache.org/ site especially w.r.t to the > incubation > > > > > > process, what to expect and steps involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > dims > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/2/06, cory < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BPEL 1.1 is supported. The code works with Axis 1.3. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sybase wants this code to be successful within the community > and is > > > > > > > going to work to support it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -cory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/2/06, Davanum Srinivas < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no proposal, there is just a zip, unless someone is > a > > > > > > > > clairvoyant, we can't figure out things like. *PLEASE* CC > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Which specific version of the spec is implemented? > > > > > > > > - Where are the list of known issues? > > > > > > > > - Where is the TODO list? > > > > > > > > - Why is Axis version 1.2 RC1 (and not even Axis 1.2 final > even > > > if we > > > > > > > > forget that the current version is Axis 1.3) > > > > > > > > - Is there any relation to workflow? > > > > > > > > - Is there no opportunity for interaction with our Existing > > > > > incubation > > > > > > > > project Agila? > > > > > > > > - Are there people from sybase who will be working? > > > > > > > > - Geronimo is becoming an umbrella rapidly and now ServiceMix > > > wants > > > > > to > > > > > > > > be one too? > > > > > > > > - Why are people talking as though the code is FINAL > > > > > > > > (Quoting greg - "there is no need to develope a community > > > around > > > > > this code") > > > > > > > > (Quoting Rob - "If you've looked at the proposed donated > code, > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > BPEL engine is complete, I can't see any sense in combining > it > > > with > > > > > > > > something else ?" ) > > > > > > > > - Do *ANY* of the existing servicemix committers know this > code > > > > > inside out? > > > > > > > > - If people are not going to touch this contrib code with a > barge > > > > > pole > > > > > > > > then why should it be accepted? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > dims > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/2/06, James Strachan < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > We have received the generous donation of a complete and > > > working > > > > > BPE > > > > > > > > > engine to the ServiceMix project... > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/geronimo-servicemix-dev/ > > > > > > > > > 200602.mbox/% > > > > > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > %3e > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the contributor has offered to donate to Apache & complete > the > > > > > > > > > necessary software grants & IP clearance and to work with > us on > > > > > > > > > integrating it into ServiceMix. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those of you maybe not aware; ServiceMIx is an ESB > project > > > > > > > > > defined around JBI (JSR 208) the JCP standard API to > > > integration > > > > > > > > > components along with being the standard container model > for a > > > BPE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ServiceMix already has the JBI container and has a suite of > JBI > > > > > > > > > integration components already for smart routing, > > > transformation, > > > > > > > > > rules, scripting, auditing etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/Components > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it makes complete sense to add a BPE to that component > > > suite. > > > > > Note > > > > > > > > > that since ServiceMix already has integration components to > > > Apache > > > > > > > > > Axis and Apache Tuscany, the integration of the BPE with > > > ServiceMix > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should benefit those projects too (with Apache Synapse > possibly > > > too > > > > > > > > > via the Axis integration - though we need to work on that > one a > > > > > bit). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also having a BPE fully integrated into Geronimo via the > JBI > > > > > > > > > container would mean that we could start to orchestrate > pretty > > > much > > > > > > > > > everything in the Geronimo stack! I'm certainly very > excited by > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > move... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ ] +1 accept the donation into the ServiceMix incubator > > > project > > > > > > > > > [ ] 0 don't mind either way > > > > > > > > > [ ] -1 I object because: ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my +1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/ > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/ > > > >
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