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From: Jim Jagielski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 8:43 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: PPMCs [was Re: what are required for contributing to
release management]
On Oct 1,
Let me see if I can summarize some of the issues as I see them...
Currently, new podlings come from one of three sources:
1) Closed source code (usually from and external company) that is useful and
thus would like to be made open source. (tuscany, yoko, etc...)
2) One (or more) open source co
On Oct 1, 2006, at 5:17 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
On 10/1/06, Dan Diephouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
would however encourage only voting people in after they an
appropriate
level of committment and involvement with the project.
This creates a dividing line by omitting past contribu
On Oct 1, 2006, at 11:36 AM, Dan Diephouse wrote:
I assume you're referring to this sentence:
"Initially, it is composed of the Podling's mentors and initial
committers."
I have also found some threads which indicate that all committers
should be added [1][2].
I am pretty philosophicall
On 10/1/06, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
For example, if I were to work on a project for many months at Google Code
and then propose it to come here, why shouldn't I continue to have a say in
what the project does? Why do I need to justify myself all over again? Why
aren't my p
On 10/1/06, Dan Diephouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
would however encourage only voting people in after they an appropriate
level of committment and involvement with the project.
This creates a dividing line by omitting past contributions from the
discussion which I feel is inappropriate.
F
Dan Diephouse wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I am pretty philosophically against making every committer PPMC
members.
I don't agree at all. If they contribute code, they merit a say in
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I am pretty philosophically against making every committer PPMC
members.
I don't agree at all. If they contribute code, they merit a say in
the
direction
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > I am pretty philosophically against making every committer PPMC
> > > > > members.
> > > I don't agree at all. If they contribute code, they merit a say in
the
> > > direction of the project.
> > Are you reading Dan's st
On 10/1/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I am pretty philosophically against making every committer PPMC
members.
> I don't agree at all. If they contribute code, they merit a say in the
> direction of the project. To do otherwise is to exclude them from the
> community. Re
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> Dan Diephouse wrote:
> > I am pretty philosophically against making every committer PPMC members.
> I don't agree at all. If they contribute code, they merit a say in the
> direction of the project. To do otherwise is to exclude them from the
> community. Remember t
Dan Diephouse wrote:
> I assume you're referring to this sentence:
> "Initially, it is composed of the Podling's mentors and initial
committers."
> I have also found some threads which indicate that all committers should
> be added [1][2]. I want to know here - who is wrong? The documentation?
N
On 10/1/06, Dan Diephouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I am pretty philosophically against making every committer PPMC members.
Apache is meritocracy based and IMO it makes much more sense to start
with the mentors on the PPMC and have committers voted on based on their
leadership. There may be ma
Jason van Zyl wrote:
> I think starting with the mentors is the wisest choice as at that
> point any committers can be brought aboard if deemed fit.
My view of that should be quite clear by now. :-)
> I was also confused about this as I heard one thing from Noel and
> one thing from Jim
Can yo
+1 to Dan's opinion.
--steve
On Oct 1, 2006, at 11:36 AM, Dan Diephouse wrote:
Hi Jim,
Jim Jagielski wrote:
On Sep 30, 2006, at 11:51 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
On 28 Sep 06, at 12:59 PM 28 Sep 06, Garrett Rooney wrote:
Well, PMCs are formed by the board when a project moves to top
l
Hi Jim,
Jim Jagielski wrote:
On Sep 30, 2006, at 11:51 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
On 28 Sep 06, at 12:59 PM 28 Sep 06, Garrett Rooney wrote:
Well, PMCs are formed by the board when a project moves to top level
status. PPMCs are formed for an incubating project, and exactly how
that works
On Sep 30, 2006, at 11:51 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
On 28 Sep 06, at 12:59 PM 28 Sep 06, Garrett Rooney wrote:
Well, PMCs are formed by the board when a project moves to top level
status. PPMCs are formed for an incubating project, and exactly how
that works tends to differ a bit between pr
On 28 Sep 06, at 12:59 PM 28 Sep 06, Garrett Rooney wrote:
Well, PMCs are formed by the board when a project moves to top level
status. PPMCs are formed for an incubating project, and exactly how
that works tends to differ a bit between projects. Some mentors start
off with just the mentors
On 9/28/06, robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 9/28/06, Dan Diephouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Garrett Rooney wrote:
> > PPMCs are formed for an incubating project, and exactly how
> > that works tends to differ a bit between projects. Some mentors start
> > off with just
On 9/28/06, Dan Diephouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Garrett Rooney wrote:
> PPMCs are formed for an incubating project, and exactly how
> that works tends to differ a bit between projects. Some mentors start
> off with just the mentors on the PPMC, and then invite project members
> as time
Garrett Rooney wrote:
On 9/28/06, Dan Diephouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
robert burrell donkin wrote:
> thinking about whether there's a need to wait to release until the
> PPMC is fully formed and representation of the podling committers.
>
> PPMCs are typically filled up relatively late in t
On 9/28/06, Dan Diephouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
robert burrell donkin wrote:
> thinking about whether there's a need to wait to release until the
> PPMC is fully formed and representation of the podling committers.
>
> PPMCs are typically filled up relatively late in the process - towards
>
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