Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-29 Thread Shane Curcuru
d for bringing to an >>> Apache Foo PMC? >>> >>> PPS: I assume we are talking about something other than how third parties >>> use and attribute ALv2 licensed code one way or another. I'm not certain >>> how trademark enters there. There is rel

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-28 Thread Dave Fisher
mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] > Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 16:21 > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: apache binary distributions > > Our trademark is abused by LibreOffice. How do we find a

RE: apache binary distributions

2015-08-28 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
for such allegations. -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 16:21 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: apache binary distributions Our trademark is abused by LibreOffice. How do we find a policy where can get Linux

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-28 Thread Dave Fisher
; how trademark enters there. There is related discussion on legal-discuss, >> however. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] >> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 14:35 >> To: general@incubator.apache.org >> Cc:

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-28 Thread Dave Fisher
re. There is related discussion on legal-discuss, > however. > > -Original Message- > From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] > Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 14:35 > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Cc: tradema...@apache.org; stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.

RE: apache binary distributions

2015-08-28 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
August 28, 2015 14:35 To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: tradema...@apache.org; stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com Subject: Re: apache binary distributions Again mixed. Let's substitute a real case. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 28, 2015, at 6:21 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > > (P

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-28 Thread Dave Fisher
Again mixed. Let's substitute a real case. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 28, 2015, at 6:21 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > > (Please note mixed private/public lists) > >> On 8/25/15 5:17 PM, Stephen Connolly wrote: >> So there is - to my mind - the obvious stuff: >> >> 1. The package description sh

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-28 Thread David Nalley
/me notes the mixed public and private lists > > I.e. assume you're a developer or sysadmin who is *not* an Apache > committer. You know you need to get a software project management tool > for the linux machines you maintain, and you've heard of something > called "Maven". > > - What is the actu

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-28 Thread Shane Curcuru
(Please note mixed private/public lists) On 8/25/15 5:17 PM, Stephen Connolly wrote: > So there is - to my mind - the obvious stuff: > > 1. The package description should ACK our marks. End of Story there. > 2. The package description should call out those cases where there are > significant devi

RE: apache binary distributions

2015-08-26 Thread Ross Gardler
: Re: apache binary distributions On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 1:46 AM, Stephen Connolly wrote: > But I am still awaiting guidance from brand on whether a technical > name usage - e.g. installer package name - is a use of the mark. Makes two of us. I see a log of good consensus on this thread

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-25 Thread Stephen Connolly
So there is - to my mind - the obvious stuff: 1. The package description should ACK our marks. End of Story there. 2. The package description should call out those cases where there are significant deviations from the "official" distributions. Significant deviations will be determined by the indiv

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-25 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 1:46 AM, Stephen Connolly wrote: > But I am still awaiting guidance from brand on whether a technical name > usage - e.g. installer package name - is a use of the mark. Makes two of us. I see a log of good consensus on this thread which helps me get a gut feel on what is t

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-25 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:06 AM, William A Rowe Jr wrote: > There are some special things here we do have absolute control over. If a > project wants to provide the 'official' build, why not start signing the > .jar? This! This is such a great idea. Would love this to be weaved into our policy (

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-22 Thread Mark Thomas
On 22/08/2015 04:37, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > Cool. > I can't find info on "how much" it costs ASF, any pointers before embarking > on 100+ artifact signing spree... ;-) With my infra hat on... The short answer is 'Don't worry about it and get signing.' The longer answer is that if a project want

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-21 Thread Niclas Hedhman
Cool. I can't find info on "how much" it costs ASF, any pointers before embarking on 100+ artifact signing spree... ;-) On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 12:35 AM, William A Rowe Jr wrote: > On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 8:09 AM, Niclas Hedhman > wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:06 AM, William A Rowe Jr

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-20 Thread William A Rowe Jr
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 8:09 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:06 AM, William A Rowe Jr > wrote: > > > There are some special things here we do have absolute control over. If a > > project wants to provide the 'official' build, why not start signing > the .jar? > > Good idea,

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:06 AM, William A Rowe Jr wrote: > > There are some special things here we do have absolute control over. If a > project wants to provide the 'official' build, why not start signing the > .jar? > Good idea, but to be practical to users, the certificate for the signing ne

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-19 Thread William A Rowe Jr
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:39 AM, Stephen Connolly < stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> wrote: > We could define a hierarchy of right to use the mark: pmc has ultimate > right, if the pmc are not producing a packaging for that system then the > developers of the packaging system have the right to def

RE: apache binary distributions

2015-08-19 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
t is a pattern, that seems like a good trigger for having a heart-to-heart with the producer of "Joe's Maven" about clearing up the confusion. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Bertrand Delacretaz [mailto:bdelacre...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 06:2

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-19 Thread Ted Dunning
Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2015, at 1:46, Stephen Connolly wrote: > > Well I actually have concerns about the "maven" that debian is publishing. > There are some quite significant - in my view - deviations from our Maven Can you be specific? Should you perhaps take this up with the mav

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-19 Thread Ted Dunning
There is a reason that these distributions are not called hadoop in the product name. There is no cloudera hadoop. Nor MapR hadoop. It is a fine line to acknowledge provenance and give proper credit but not claim to be identical. On the other hand, hive and pig and zookeeper in the distrib

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Stephen Connolly wrote: > ...Well I actually have concerns about the "maven" that debian is publishing. > There are some quite significant - in my view - deviations from our Maven. > > For me, the majority of the concerns could be addressed if they fix the > *Desc

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-19 Thread Jochen Theodorou
Am 18.08.2015 18:46, schrieb Marvin Humphrey: On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:02 AM, Kalle Korhonen So what if a project (members) does not vote but unofficially releases binary executable packages, perhaps along with source to some other location than /dist/? Clearly, it's not an official release by

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-19 Thread Stephen Connolly
We could define a hierarchy of right to use the mark: pmc has ultimate right, if the pmc are not producing a packaging for that system then the developers of the packaging system have the right to define who can use the mark in relation to their packaging system only. The aim here would be to make

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-19 Thread Stephen Connolly
I might add also that our integration tests should pass for patched releases (if you want to call the package "maven") Let's take this straw man out for a walk: Microsoft produce a maven.msi and it is available for download on a page called "how to get maven" on the Microsoft website. The install

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-19 Thread Stephen Connolly
Perhaps, the maven pmc could decree: if you are making a convenience installer of maven for an OS where the maven pmc does not create a convenience installer, you may use "maven" as the packaging name provided the description clarifies it is a custom build and provides an ack of our marks. Also the

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-19 Thread Stephen Connolly
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 02:47 Niclas Hedhman wrote: > On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 3:40 AM, Stephen Connolly < > stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Yes that was my analysis of the question: If I decide to produce an > > unofficial binary release of Maven without the approval of the rest

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-19 Thread Niclas Hedhman
I was indeed talking of publishing the original material, released properly from Apache but with some minor changes to fit into the "Steve&Nick Platform" (whatever that might be). I think that is analogous... So, if we agree that is all the same... minor alterations of official releases That

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-18 Thread Ted Dunning
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > However, if "Steve&Nick" are Apache project contributors publishing > unreleased > code and making an end run around Apache release policy, there's greater > cause > for concern. > On the other hand, if Steve&Nick are contributors publis

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-18 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > Well, if "Debian" can publish their built Apache Maven as "maven" and > "Steve&Nick" can't publish their built Apache Maven as "maven", then the > inescapable question is; On what non-arbitrary grounds is one acceptable > and the other is

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-18 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 3:40 AM, Stephen Connolly < stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Yes that was my analysis of the question: If I decide to produce an > unofficial binary release of Maven without the approval of the rest of the > PMC, I may not call it Maven. If I did call it Maven th

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-18 Thread Stephen Connolly
t call it Maven. If I did call it Maven then the remainder of the PMC would be responsible for sending me a C&D. > > - Dennis > > -Original Message- > From: Marvin Humphrey [mailto:mar...@rectangular.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 09:46 > To: general@incub

RE: apache binary distributions

2015-08-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
f the (hypothetical) project. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Marvin Humphrey [mailto:mar...@rectangular.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 09:46 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: apache binary distributions On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:02 AM, Kalle Korhonen > So w

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-18 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:02 AM, Kalle Korhonen > So what if a project (members) does not vote but unofficially > releases binary executable packages, perhaps along with source to some > other location than /dist/? Clearly, it's not an official release by Apache > policy but there the bits are in

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-18 Thread Kalle Korhonen
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Luke Han wrote: > > There's one discussion in Kylin community about to add binary > > package in release, people are really would like to have one: > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-

RE: apache binary distributions

2015-08-17 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
sh...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Roman Shaposhnik Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 21:11 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: apache binary distributions On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: [ ... ] > This thread is long and bendy. What is it that you want to achieve? Three thi

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-17 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Roman Shaposhnik > wrote: > >> Now that takeaway from this thread for me so far is this: in order for the >> trademark enforcement to be invoked there has to be a legitimate concern >> from the PMC. The f

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-17 Thread Shane Curcuru
On 8/16/15 9:05 PM, David Nalley wrote: > On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Roman Shaposhnik > wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: >>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Roman Shaposhnik >>> wrote: >>> > The Hadoop PMC is utterly free to produce a Hadoop RPM with Ha

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-17 Thread Stephen Connolly
On 17 August 2015 at 09:53, Jochen Theodorou wrote: > Am 17.08.2015 10:45, schrieb Branko Čibej: > [...] > >> So wait ... If the Subversion PMC releases source, and, say, Debian >> creates a binary package called 'subversion-x.y.z' ... you're saying >> that's trademark infringement and we should

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-17 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Jochen Theodorou wrote: > ...My take so far is: The PMC decides upon if they want to allow for that or > not. So the Subversion PMC could forbid the redistribution of packages named > subversion-x.y.z... But that does not mean they have to... That's my understand

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-17 Thread Jochen Theodorou
Am 17.08.2015 10:45, schrieb Branko Čibej: [...] So wait ... If the Subversion PMC releases source, and, say, Debian creates a binary package called 'subversion-x.y.z' ... you're saying that's trademark infringement and we should be telling all the people who produce binary packages to stop using

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-17 Thread Branko Čibej
On 16.08.2015 21:33, Ted Dunning wrote: > On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Roman Shaposhnik > wrote: > >>> The Hadoop PMC is utterly free to produce a Hadoop RPM with Hadoop in it >>> that corresponds to an Apache Hadoop release. Having project Foo >> produce a >>> release of Bar, Baz and Pigdog

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-16 Thread David Nalley
On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Roman Shaposhnik >> wrote: >> >>> > The Hadoop PMC is utterly free to produce a Hadoop RPM with Hadoop in it >>> > that corresponds to an Apache Ha

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-16 Thread David Nalley
On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > Seems like for the past two weeks I only have weekends to respond :-( > Apologies for the delay on this thread. > > On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 7:30 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: >>> > 1) The concept of a brand covering some artifact doesn't come int

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-16 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > Now that takeaway from this thread for me so far is this: in order for the > trademark enforcement to be invoked there has to be a legitimate concern > from the PMC. The foundation is not in a business of blatant brand policing > (otherw

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-16 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Roman Shaposhnik > wrote: > >> > The Hadoop PMC is utterly free to produce a Hadoop RPM with Hadoop in it >> > that corresponds to an Apache Hadoop release. Having project Foo >> produce a >> > release of Ba

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-16 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 6:30 AM, William A Rowe Jr wrote: > On Aug 9, 2015 8:33 PM, "Roman Shaposhnik" wrote: >> >> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 12:46 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz >> wrote: >> > On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 2:50 AM, Roman Shaposhnik > wrote: >> >> ...is Apache Brand meant to protect *any* possi

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-16 Thread Ted Dunning
On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > > The Hadoop PMC is utterly free to produce a Hadoop RPM with Hadoop in it > > that corresponds to an Apache Hadoop release. Having project Foo > produce a > > release of Bar, Baz and Pigdog is pretty far off the reservation, > however.

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-16 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
Seems like for the past two weeks I only have weekends to respond :-( Apologies for the delay on this thread. On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 7:30 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: >> > 1) The concept of a brand covering some artifact doesn't come into play >> at >> > all. Instead, there are two things that happen.

Re: apache binary distributions - Apache policies

2015-08-14 Thread Shane Curcuru
On 8/9/15 9:37 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > The question is: do we have ASF-wide trademark guidelines or do > we allow each PMC to make those as they go. Um, yes, we do: https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/ Question: raise your ha

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-14 Thread Shane Curcuru
On 8/6/15 4:29 AM, Jochen Theodorou wrote: > Am 06.08.2015 08:22, schrieb Niclas Hedhman: >> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:43 AM, Roman Shaposhnik >> wrote: >> >>> I honestly see no problem with that, again provided that the artifact >>> can >> NOT >>> be confused with the one coming from Apache projec

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-13 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Luke Han wrote: > There's one discussion in Kylin community about to add binary > package in release, people are really would like to have one: > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-kylin-dev/201508.mbox/%3CCAKmQrOZ_MFUyF_y7HXE7iVMCfJHuuOFuU4T8ibsPWf

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-13 Thread Luke Han
There's one discussion in Kylin community about to add binary package in release, people are really would like to have one: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-kylin-dev/201508.mbox/%3CCAKmQrOZ_MFUyF_y7HXE7iVMCfJHuuOFuU4T8ibsPWfnw0z2Opw%40mail.gmail.com%3E For some reason, people (e

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-10 Thread David Nalley
On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 9:33 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 12:46 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz > wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 2:50 AM, Roman Shaposhnik >> wrote: >>> ...is Apache Brand meant to protect *any* possible object/binary >>> artifact or only those that PMC actually

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-10 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 3:33 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > ...do we aspire to have a monopoly on certain > binary convenience artifacts? IOW, if a Hadoop PMC blessed and RPM > as one of those artifacts, does it mean that only that RPM (however > potentially screwed up it is from the standpoint of

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-10 Thread William A Rowe Jr
On Aug 9, 2015 8:33 PM, "Roman Shaposhnik" wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 12:46 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz > wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 2:50 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > >> ...is Apache Brand meant to protect *any* possible object/binary > >> artifact or only those that PMC actually care

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-09 Thread Ted Dunning
On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 12:46 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz > wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 2:50 AM, Roman Shaposhnik > wrote: > >> ...is Apache Brand meant to protect *any* possible object/binary > >> artifact or only those that PMC actual

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-09 Thread Ted Dunning
On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > > Roman, > > > > That was a *really* long email. > > Well, I do those from time to time ;-) > > > 1) The concept of a brand covering some artifact doesn't come into play > at > > all. I

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-09 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > Roman, > > That was a *really* long email. Well, I do those from time to time ;-) > 1) The concept of a brand covering some artifact doesn't come into play at > all. Instead, there are two things that happen. The first is that the PMC > appro

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-09 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 12:46 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 2:50 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: >> ...is Apache Brand meant to protect *any* possible object/binary >> artifact or only those that PMC actually care about?... > > IMO any object/binary created from our source co

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-07 Thread Ted Dunning
Roman, That was a *really* long email. Some general responses. 1) The concept of a brand covering some artifact doesn't come into play at all. Instead, there are two things that happen. The first is that the PMC approves releases which defines each such release as an Apache release. The second

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-07 Thread Jochen Theodorou
Am 07.08.2015 02:50, schrieb Roman Shaposhnik: On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:15 AM, Jochen Theodorou wrote: [...] The assumption that you're making is a reasonable one: only PMC is authorized to make work available (which will mean that everything else is derived work). That said, I'd appreciate i

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 2:50 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > ...is Apache Brand meant to protect *any* possible object/binary > artifact or only those that PMC actually care about?... IMO any object/binary created from our source code has to be clearly identified as not coming from the ASF. If Kerm

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-06 Thread Niclas Hedhman
Then throw in an extra special case, Apache ABC making a release of Apache XYZ ;-) Not common, but AFAIK, nothing but convention (go over and do it in the name of XYZ instead) stopping that... But say XYZ has lost its PMC and is destined for Attic, and ABC is in desperate need... On Fri, Aug 7, 2

RE: apache binary distributions

2015-08-06 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
shnik Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 17:51 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: apache binary distributions On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:15 AM, Jochen Theodorou wrote: [ ... ] if PMC produced a release then binary convenience artifacts are easy: anything that corresponds to that release *could* be

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-06 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:15 AM, Jochen Theodorou wrote: > Am 06.08.2015 02:43, schrieb Roman Shaposhnik: > [...] >> >> As you probably remember we've discussed this issue not that long time >> ago: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.general/49852 >> >> The consensus there is that

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-06 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:29 AM, Jochen Theodorou wrote: > Am 06.08.2015 08:22, schrieb Niclas Hedhman: >> >> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:43 AM, Roman Shaposhnik >> wrote: >> >>> I honestly see no problem with that, again provided that the artifact can >> >> NOT >>> >>> be confused with the one comin

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-06 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:22 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:43 AM, Roman Shaposhnik > wrote: > >> I honestly see no problem with that, again provided that the artifact can > NOT >> be confused with the one coming from Apache project. > > I think the "problem" lies in Tradema

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-06 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:14 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Roman Shaposhnik > wrote: > >> >> Let us put that last part a step up... Let us assume someone takes one >> of >> >> the released sources of one of the java projects out there, makes maven >> >> artifacts out of

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-06 Thread Jochen Theodorou
Am 06.08.2015 08:22, schrieb Niclas Hedhman: On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:43 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: I honestly see no problem with that, again provided that the artifact can NOT be confused with the one coming from Apache project. I think the "problem" lies in Trademarks. Debian's Tomcat7

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-06 Thread Jochen Theodorou
Am 06.08.2015 02:43, schrieb Roman Shaposhnik: [...] As you probably remember we've discussed this issue not that long time ago: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.general/49852 The consensus there is that as long as you're communicating intent clearly you can let downstream dev

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-05 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:43 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > I honestly see no problem with that, again provided that the artifact can NOT > be confused with the one coming from Apache project. I think the "problem" lies in Trademarks. Debian's Tomcat7 is labeled "Servlet and JSP engine" and its To

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-05 Thread Ted Dunning
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > >> Let us put that last part a step up... Let us assume someone takes one > of > >> the released sources of one of the java projects out there, makes maven > >> artifacts out of it and publishes them at maven central. Is that ok? I > mean

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-05 Thread Ralph Goers
> On Aug 5, 2015, at 5:44 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 2:22 AM, Jochen Theodorou wrote: >> >>> It was also mentioned here, that for example publishing snapshot builds to >>> maven central is not allowed. I guess i

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-05 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 2:22 AM, Jochen Theodorou wrote: > Am 03.08.2015 21:46, schrieb David Nalley: >> >> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Jochen Theodorou >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> some of the general discussion recently made me wonder about one point >>> with >>> regards to binary distr

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-05 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 2:22 AM, Jochen Theodorou wrote: > >> It was also mentioned here, that for example publishing snapshot builds to >> maven central is not allowed. I guess in the release document they are >> basically to be handled as nigh

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-04 Thread Ted Dunning
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 2:22 AM, Jochen Theodorou wrote: > It was also mentioned here, that for example publishing snapshot builds to > maven central is not allowed. I guess in the release document they are > basically to be handled as nightly builds and as such not for the general > public, thus

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Jochen Theodorou wrote: > ...It was pointed out, that a binary > distribution of a source code release has to be handled like a release > itself, and that there should be no download source of it outside of apache. > This seems to be one motivation for the asf

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-04 Thread Jochen Theodorou
Am 03.08.2015 21:46, schrieb David Nalley: On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Jochen Theodorou wrote: Hi all, some of the general discussion recently made me wonder about one point with regards to binary distributions. It was pointed out, that a binary distribution of a source code release has to

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-04 Thread Jochen Theodorou
sorry, I really tried, but it seems google is not a suitable tool to search through the incubator general list. It shows by far not all results it should show. There is a hint that some results are not shown because of privacy protection. Searching for my own name for exmaple shows only a singl

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-03 Thread David Nalley
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Jochen Theodorou wrote: > Hi all, > > some of the general discussion recently made me wonder about one point with > regards to binary distributions. It was pointed out, that a binary > distribution of a source code release has to be handled like a release > itself,

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-03 Thread Alex Harui
OK, I’ll bite. Do you have links to where you got this information? -Alex On 8/3/15, 2:55 AM, "Jochen Theodorou" wrote: >Hi all, > >some of the general discussion recently made me wonder about one point >with regards to binary distributions. It was pointed out, that a binary >distribution of a