[Not cross-posting to a private list.]

Dave,

I don't exactly understand what it is expected that trademarks@ would be doing 
or clarifying with regard to your specific Foo Manchu case.

Please explain what you mean by a percentage.

 - Dennis

PS: How do you see a case where the Manchu project makes nothing more than 
nominative mentions of Foo and Foo is not used at all in the naming of the 
Manchu product?  Are specific instances of the use of Foo in a manner that 
would confuse Manchu with Foo what you have in mind for bringing to an Apache 
Foo PMC?

PPS: I assume we are talking about something other than how third parties use 
and attribute ALv2 licensed code one way or another.  I'm not certain how 
trademark enters there.  There is related discussion on legal-discuss, however.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 14:35
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc: tradema...@apache.org; stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: apache binary distributions

Again mixed. Let's substitute a real case.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2015, at 6:21 AM, Shane Curcuru <a...@shanecurcuru.org> wrote:
> 
> (Please note mixed private/public lists)
> 
>> On 8/25/15 5:17 PM, Stephen Connolly wrote:
[ ... ]
>> 
>> package-name: foo
>> description: The Manchu team's packaging based on Apache Foo.
>>  Apache Foo is a framework for doing bar.
>>  Apache, Apache Foo and Foo are trademarks of the Apache Software
>> Foundation.

Foo = OpenOffice
Manchu = LibreOffice

This is the reality in Linuxland without the attribution. This has been going 
on for sometime. I think since prior to Oracle's grant.

Rolling that back should be a goal for the PMC.

Maybe we diff the codebases and accept a percentage. This standard might the 
encourage upstream contribution.

I would like to formulate this idea for the AOO dev list. The above has really 
helped me crystallize what I've been kicking around in my mind for months and 
months.

Thoughts before I take it there?

I know I'm not following Shane's thoughts below. OpenOffice is uniquely 
problematic.

Regards,
Dave

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