On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:22 PM, Niclas Hedhman <nic...@hedhman.org> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:43 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> > wrote: > >> I honestly see no problem with that, again provided that the artifact can > NOT >> be confused with the one coming from Apache project. > > I think the "problem" lies in Trademarks.
As always ;-) This is actually the subtle point that Jochen seems to be missing: the ALv2 allows a lot of things that do not necessarily translate into how ASF manages brands of its projects. The two are separate. > Debian's Tomcat7 is labeled > "Servlet and JSP engine" and its Tomcat8 is labeled "Apache Tomcat 8 - > Servlet and JSP engine", yet I don't see Apache Tomcat project > creating/maintaining a Debian dist. Correct. And with Linux distros the very notion of the artifact gets blurry so much so that pretty much everything they do starts looking like a derived work. That's why I like to focus on Maven artifacts since they are much easier to discuss in the context of not infringing on ASF brands. > Now, is Debian allowed to call it "Tomcat"? Is it allowed to call Tomcat8 > to BE "Apache Tomcat8", when in fact(!) there are changes to the source, > such as the start script in Debian Tomcat is not original of Apache Tomcat, > but instead follows a Debian template for how those scripts should be > written. I am not sure what all the changes are, feel free to check; > http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-java/tomcat8.git/tree/debian/patches *I* think it should be allowed to as long as the version ID is different. To me, the full handle for any software artifact always is NAME-VERSION. Linux distros take the same point of view and have this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:NamingGuidelines#Package_Versioning > IF (like Mozilla) Apache decides to strike down on Debian and not allowing > it to use the same names, _I_ think it is a disservice to the users > (IceWeasel browser), but as it stands, Apache trademark licensing seems to > not really be followed (Perhaps Debian has some permission that was granted > long in the past... I may have missed that). 100% agreeing with the above paragraph. Thanks, Roman. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
